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Mark Zuckerberg just hinted at an operating system for Meta and said he expects the metaverse to generate hundreds of billions in revenue by the end of the decade Business
https://www.businessinsider.com/mark-zuckerberg-on-meta-os-revenue-expectations-for-metaverse-2022-6?utm_source=feedly&utm_medium=webfeeds4.0k
u/WackyBones510 14d ago
This all has big 3D TV vibes to me.
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u/MRintheKEYS 14d ago
Hey now, I actually got SOME use out of my 3D TV.
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u/LorthNeeda 14d ago
Me too. I watched Prometheus on 3D Blu-ray. Shit was dope af. Then I never purchased or watched another 3d movie.
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u/Blue_Lust 14d ago
That one Owl movie in 3d was pretty fuckin dope.
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u/thcidiot 14d ago
Legend of the Guardians. It was one of the only dvds I had at one point. I watched that move a lot!
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u/Arizona_Slim 14d ago
Dredd in 3D was fuckin lit.
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u/Blue_Lust 14d ago
Fuuuuuck. I love that movie and wish I saw it in 3D.
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u/Strain128 13d ago
I saw it in 4D, or whatever you call those motion seats. The intro with the motorcycle chase was cool as fuck. Then the gunfire started and I turned off the seat because why do I want my seat vibrating like a machine gun
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u/RoyPherae 14d ago
I watched Saw 3D. That was... a thing.
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u/DatDominican 14d ago
Played uncharted in 3d and it was 🔥
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u/theHip 14d ago
Wow I did that too on my parents 3D TV. It was actually incredible.
I also watched more 3D movies on their TV when I visited them than they ever did.
I think it was kinda cool for movies.
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u/mdnjdndndndje 14d ago
Yea idk why they stopped producing 3d games. They added a lot to the experience. Especially with the advent of 4k tvs we could have had passive polarization 1,000nit TVs delivering an awesome 3d experience for pennies more.
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u/HeyImGilly 14d ago
This makes me think that Facebook probably has a lot of patents for this stuff, and they will fiercely protect them if I had to guess.
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u/TomSwirly 14d ago
Second Life is prior art for most of the important parts.
The only reason to fiercely protect them is if Meta-style VR took off. Seems unlikely. I've been a first adopter for a lot of things, including 3D TV, but this seems actively annoying to me.
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u/cC2Panda 13d ago
I have had two VR headsets and I can tell you it won't be remotely as profitable as the mobile market in our life if ever. The biggest hindrance isn't the tech IMO it's that it isolates you physically. Even if it got small and portable I won't use it in public the way I do a phone, most people would get sick using it as a passenger in a car or other vehicles, there is a lot of physicality so I won't use it in bed or on the couch next to my wife.
I don't think most humans are willing to close themselves off and properly immerse entirely unless they are alone.
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u/FaeryLynne 13d ago
Yeah I can see it as taking off for people like me - I'm mostly homebound due to some fairly severe disabilities, and I rarely see people other than immediate family. I can't travel or anything like that. So for me it would be great. People with normal abilities, though, yeah no. I definitely would far prefer actual human contact and I think 99.999% of people would.
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u/Bropulsion 14d ago
They don't have to. They will just throw a bag of money at any competitor and purchase them. Like with Instagram, Whatsapp etc.
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u/HolyMuffins 14d ago
I think this is a good parallel.
In a world with Zoom calls and FaceTime, I just don't see the added value of more immersive communication online. I can make a Facebook post about something I do in real life -- I don't need some combined reality VR experience to make connections between my life online and in real life. 3D glasses / goofy headsets are similarly unwieldy pieces of kit for something that for 90% of their intended use can be done on a phone screen or monitor or TV.
And what's the end game? Folks have a good time chatting on Discord and engaging in online virtual communities with their WoW guild, but come on Facebook, but I don't see how to grow that into other spaces. We all saw stuff like Ready Player One and even in a lame sci-fi world the metaverse just comes across as a jankier way to use a computer.
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u/WackyBones510 14d ago
It seems like the only people truly excited about it are the people making it and some very early adopter type folks.
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u/EternalBlue734 14d ago
The only people I see excited about it are the Web 3.0 NFT Crypto bros who think it’s the next goldmine for that type of stuff. No excitement for the actual use case of it, just a way to quickly make some money as an early adopter.
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u/NotAddison 14d ago
I'd definitely be more interested if it wasn't Facebook making it.
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u/LesbianCommander 14d ago
It's literally VRChat but worse and corporate.
Why would anyone be interested in this excluding people with financial incentive to hype it up.
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u/WackyBones510 14d ago
Could I interest you in the Shiba Inu metaverse?*
*may or may not have a very dumb position in SHIB.
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u/prudence2001 14d ago
That's quite a pathetic avatar for billions of investment dollars.
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u/cieluvgrau 14d ago •
Someone somewhere on Reddit said he looks like an animated breadstick. Whoever said that is a really funny person.
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u/Wholesome_Stuff 14d ago
I think this is the most apt description of him that I have ever seen. Also explains why he drinks water like that.
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u/Separate-Owl369 14d ago
Makes me want to smoke some meat with my human friends.
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u/bstowers 14d ago
places tasty human-favorite barbecue sauce bottle prominently on an empty shelf in the background
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u/bahpbohp 14d ago
kills and butchers the meat as "personal challenge", comes back to the smoker with his human friends slung over his shoulders.
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Acquires the kuru for cannibalizing his friends. Creates zombie apocalypse that ends in humanity’s destruction.
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In the meta verse only, where it’s environmentally acceptable. Don’t want to get fined for a spare the air day.
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u/MetsPenguin 14d ago
It does look like Nintendo Wii character.
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u/thesupplyguy1 14d ago
I mean at least they got the pale, android from star trek look down pat
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u/AintAintAWord 14d ago
You put some respeck on Data's name
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u/fistantellmore 14d ago
I’d say “what about Lore?” But Zuck can’t emote that well.
B4 maybe?
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u/TheCh0rt 14d ago
Lore faked being data several times, where he tried to mute his emotions but couldn’t quite pull it off. So the Lore comparison could still apply.
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u/Brendan_Fraser 14d ago
Don't disgrace the Mii's by comparing them to The General Car Inusrance ass 3D avatar
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u/Vaultdweller013 14d ago
The general is gonna run you over with his jeep if ya keep disrespecting him like that.
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u/Separate-Owl369 14d ago •
It’s part of his plan to make him look less dangerous and creepy. His avatar even blinks like a real human, vertically as opposed to horizontally in real life.
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u/supershinythings 14d ago
Second Life, but they get to track you absolutely everywhere and sell your data to every bidder. They need to find a way to make it “sticky”, but the technology just isn’t ready for it yet.
And I’m certainly not ready for the next generation of idiot “friends” and “influencers” to “leverage” it to try to sell me shit.
When the product is “free”, YOU are the product.
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u/idiot-prodigy 14d ago
This is my thought exactly. Business could be done in Second Life... it could... but no self respecting adult would use that shit to conduct business.
I really predict this to flop.
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u/Ephemeral_Being 14d ago
I would be astonished to learn that drug dealers didn't use video game communication channels to sell their product. In fact, I know they do.
My mate ran a guild for a while (this was a decade ago, before Discord - all communication was done in-game), and told me a story where they had to kick a guy who was trying to sell pot via mail. He was taking in-game items, as well as money, for drugs. That wasn't odd - people buy currency and items in MMOs all the time, regardless of what the ToS says. From what I remember, the guild leaders cared less about the RMT than the potential criminal repercussions of being labeled members of a drug trafficking organization. It was just easier to kick the guy and report him than to deal with the headache.
Granted, he was a 20-something college kid, dealing in very low weights and lived in a state where it was technically legal for him to purchase (though very, very obviously not sell via mail) marijuana. He wasn't a criminal mastermind, and I assume he got banned pretty quickly. Still, this is a thing. There's no reason you couldn't do actual business deals in Second Life, or EVE. It would be weird, but not unimaginable.
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u/pinkocatgirl 13d ago
They tried in the beginning. All of the big trendy corporations originally made virtual campuses with meeting rooms and customer facing interactive stuff. I remember going to a thing Nissan built back in the day where they would give you a digital version of one of their cars for you to do a virtual test on a virtual track. But it was all a gimmick and now people just use it for sex.
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u/paarthurnax94 14d ago
Is it an avatar? It just looks like a real picture of definite human person Mark Zuckerberg to me.
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Fuck off Mark
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u/PapaElonMusk 14d ago •
This. Mark is a piece of shit. I should know, since I am one too.
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u/095449002 14d ago
I used to be a piece of shit. Sloppy steaks and everything.
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u/Itwasntavailable 14d ago
Oh, hi Mark
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u/toebandit 14d ago
He’s a dink.
He was in the right place at the right time, took advantage of everyone and anyone around him to be where he is right now. He’s a piece of shit. He so undeserving of any of it. Why would anyone trust him?
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u/beer_bukkake 14d ago
I can’t imagine someone like him having any real, genuine friends. He has a lot of money, sure, but imagine how lonely and miserable he must be. Fucking loser.
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u/GoonMcnasty 14d ago
Emanates pure dweeb energy all the time.
Why couldn't he just fuck off and have fun like Myspace Tom?
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u/furyextralarge 14d ago
comes off to me like he's completely deluded and trying to show to himself that he actually is the genius he pretends to be. This is his big magnum opus, the giant project that he's helming by himself that'll prove his career up to this point hasn't just been him climbing over the backs of talented developers and marketers
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Narrator: "It didn't"
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u/Zederikus 14d ago
Narrator: “Meta’s operating system was Unix with the option to like files but not dislike them”
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u/swimtwobird 14d ago
The funniest thing is meta just announced they were ending research on an OS for VR/AR and relying on an android fork. They have zero skill or institutional knowledge around operating systems and human user interfaces. They know how to code web pages, develop mobile apps, and sell intrusive advertising. They’re early 2000s Microsoft in terms of total mediocrity.
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u/dantefierogwa 14d ago
The meta verse can go fuck itself
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u/SonOfNod 14d ago
The meta verse feels like a sad dystopian world predicted by an 80s movie.
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u/North-Fail3671 14d ago •
It is, actually. Go read Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson. It's even called the Metaverse in the novel. The book was written in the 80s and is peak cyberpunk.
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u/bamfalamfa 14d ago
i love how old cyberpunk novels have basically predicted everything that has happened now and will probably still be correct going into the future
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u/aliehsan-kun 14d ago
Are the novels predicting the future?
or The future adapting to ideas of the novels?
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u/saintgadreel 14d ago
Why do we always adapt the DYSTOPIAN futures?!
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u/AdditionalSuccotash 14d ago
The dystopian future always benefits the ones at the top. We don't adopt it. They do
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u/jaec-windu 14d ago
cus bush won in 2000 and everyone's view of a utopian future died.
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u/_PaamayimNekudotayim 14d ago
This, it's def the latter.
No one actually likes the metaverse. The people who invented it just think this is what the future should look like, rather than letting it happen organically.
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u/Hot_Box8010 14d ago
I loved Philip K. Dick's take on this. In some of his stories, the precogs of the past were actually scifi writers who got glimpses of the future.
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u/big_trike 14d ago
Zuckerberg ran out of his own ideas for social media and ripped off sci-fi. From the point of view of screwing over investors, it's not a bad one. Years of development are required and will help him convince people that he has something big coming down as every subsequent quarter sees revenue shrink. To be honest, I think it will happen at some point, but not many will trust facebook with their personal data again.
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u/Formal-Appearance210 14d ago
This is what the Beat and avant garde novelist William S. Burroughs argued in the 70s and 80s. He saw artists, and specifically novelists, as the first link in the chain of reality creation. He believed on a metaphysical level that writing about something brings it about. Not immediately, but over time as the ideas seeped into other minds and shaped expectations and goals, which ultimately brought them about.
I don't want to out myself as a weirdo, but... Burroughs was often overconfident about his ideas, but the longer I live, the more of them I find or suspect to be true.
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u/Clairifyed 14d ago
or rather the billionaires looked at them and went “yeah that hellscape they depict in that book. That’s what I want to see in the world, get my engineers on that”
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u/gramathy 14d ago
Snow Crash is even kinda a parody of itself (deliberately), it's super tropey and over the top
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u/DenverM80 14d ago
Neuromancer is also great
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u/North-Fail3671 14d ago
Snow Crash reads like Neuromancer written by someone doing heaps of amphetamines. Outstanding novel.
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u/portablebiscuit 14d ago
Those movies where people would search for files in endless rows of virtual filing cabinets?
I’d prefer that.
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u/luvmuchine56 14d ago edited 14d ago
I honestly can't wait for the Metaverse to flop and make this guy lose billions.
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u/Internal_Ring_121 14d ago
His stock price has already been cut in half.
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u/luvmuchine56 14d ago
That's not enough. I want to see him shopping at dollar general.
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u/theelite1x87 14d ago
Not gonna happen. People like him are so rich, they are able to diversify their portfolios. Yes, most of his wealth is in Facebook.
But even if Facebook literally vanished, he'd still have enough wealth in various other smaller investments (plus any liquid assets he has) to be a millionaire. He'd no longer be uber rich but he'd still live more comfortably than most of us can hope for.
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u/Visible-Book3838 14d ago
Megalomaniacal business leaders often chase their previous success down a rabbit hole to bankruptcy, even when it would be more logical to cut and run at a certain point. He could dump his personal holdings into it, trying in vain to save it. So there's still hope.
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u/SpickeZe 14d ago
I bought a cooler at Dollar General today. It cost $14. Fuck Mark!
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u/zeoslap 14d ago
I'm convinced this will amount to nothing and Mark has jumped the shark, so in other words invest now because it's going to be huge.
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u/gizamo 14d ago
Yeah, the metaverse is going to need insane amounts of server hardware. Until Meta makes something 10-100X the capacity of AWS/GCP/Azure, Meta won't be able to handle the promises they're making about this futuristic metaverse.
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u/MayoneggVeal 14d ago
I've also heard like, no actual people interested in "living" in the metaverse.
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u/NastyWatermellon 14d ago
I feel like I'm Mark's exact target demographic and I have zero desire to use it because I barely even understand why I would use it or what I'm supposed to be able to do with it.
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u/throwaway4637282 14d ago
Zuck is targeting children for Meta. Unless you are under 13 you are not his target audience. He knows kids will all put the vr goggles on their Christmas list.
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u/idiot-prodigy 14d ago
It's fuggin Roblox, Sims, or Second Life.
Those exist now, I am into gaming and computers and I don't play any of those games.
I just don't see grown adults doing business in this goofy metaverse, so it looks like it will be relegated to kids.
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u/gizamo 14d ago
Sounds like you're not his target market. His target market already knows exactly what they want from the metaverse,....brothels. IIRC, porn is a little bit more than 99.99999% of the internet.
Zuck hasn't figured this out, tho. You can tell because his Oculus devices don't have PP connectors, yet.
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u/professorDissociate 14d ago
Can you imagine augmented reality where partners could take on the form of any character imaginable, simply via thought. It would have a hell of a market at love stores.
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u/the-incredible-ape 14d ago
I was thinking the same thing. Unless there's bountiful shitloads of amazing porn on this, it's never going to amount to anything.
OnlyFans in ultra-high-def immersive 3D? Yeah, I could see that making some money. They haven't really talked about that. What they've talked about is a fortnite lobby with more microtransactions. I guess we'll see when they have to acknowledge their real competition is OF and PH.
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u/Stat-Arbitrage 14d ago
I’m sure there are, make the metaverse addictive enough and people won’t want to leave. Hell, they have gaming addiction centres and rehab facilities across Asia.
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u/rvalt 14d ago
And IIRC a not so insignificant chunk of the population is too prone to motion sickness to enjoy VR.
Maybe the newer headsets deal with it better, but sometimes Meta sounds like a dairy company promising to revolutionize global eating habits while ignoring the fact that lactose intolerance exists.
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u/despitegirls 14d ago edited 14d ago
He really needs people to buy into his virtual world that's built on collecting information from you, influencing your beliefs for money, and selling you crap based on the first two things.
No thanks.
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My dawg, we’re already living in that virtual world. The screens just aren’t attached to our face yet.
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u/Redqueenhypo 14d ago
Hey I’m still only being sold balls soap and mortgage loans despite being a woman with zero money, so I’d say the targeting isn’t quite effective yet
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u/alexanderlot 14d ago
why would i want a dystopian, out-of-touch, sociopath-created-world digitally when we have that same thing already without the visor?
if i want to hear backwards, smooth-brain, racist, homophobic, bigoted bullshit i know i can just redownload FB as it is. and i don’t want that. sooo
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u/NewsboyHank 14d ago
I'm not sure I'll go there... Unless there is some other compelling reason for me to invest in VR gear, I'm not sure I care about his pretend playground.
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u/wamdueCastle 14d ago
this, im not a gamer, dont own any type of console, so have no real need for VR tech.
There is no way I would buy VR tech, for a VR chat room, with avatars which look like they are from maybe the early 00s.
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u/Externalpower43 14d ago
This hasn't failed yet? It's still a thing?
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u/WastelandeWanderer 14d ago
It can’t fail if it’s always experimental and always getting better!!
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u/brucewayne1935 14d ago
I can’t think of a single demographic that cares about this metaverse on any level whatsoever
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u/aj_thenoob 14d ago
People looking to make money. As we all saw with nfts, it won't last long if you don't have an infinite supply of suckers.
I bet Facebook is shitting themselves at the death of nfts.
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u/Radiant_Citron_5158 14d ago edited 13d ago
Ah yes, the classic Elon Musk approach. Just talk out of your ass and hope your stock goes up.
Edit: lol I woke up the Elon stans.
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u/BoThSidESAREthESAME6 14d ago
That shit has worked incredibly well for Elon I don't blame Mark at all for taking a page out of that book.
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u/bahweepgranah 14d ago
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u/ClintySwood 14d ago
Ever noticed how she and Zuck have the same dead sociopathic eyes
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u/Gr8daze 14d ago
I have a hard time understanding how anyone can watch the damage Facebook has done to the world and still support them by helping them increase their revenue.
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u/Spare_Industry_6056 14d ago
I mean I'm at the age where new tech starts seeming scary so it might just be that but honestly this is just boring. VR is fine but I'm not wandering around Ironforge recreationally no matter how good the graphics are. VR gaming I get but a VR mall? You thought social media was making people lonely? Just wait until you're trying to make actual connections with someone. Any hint they actually like you would be proof they're a bot or a scammer. The only attention you'd get is Meta tracking your every eye movement to manipulate you better. Bone chillingly lonely. God. Makes me want to listen to Joy Division it's so depressing.
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u/nate6259 13d ago
I still can't figure out how this is different from any other iteration of a virtual "world" other than being a place for advertisers to feast and utilize your data. There is no tangible reason to get excited about it.
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u/VATruckerJJ 14d ago
This might be the dumbest idea the zuck has had yet. I haven't been on fb in 10 years. I will die without ever having visited the metaverse
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u/XLauncher 14d ago
I want the Metaverse to fail. Not because Facebook is an immoral pile of maggots that makes its bread off sowing disinformation. That's just the cherry on the sundae. I want it to fail because it's the most boring and cynical take on the virtual reality fantasies of our childhoods and I want it dead so it doesn't get in the way of the real thing when it's ready.
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u/gnudarve 14d ago
Thanks, I hate it. A human needs a natural enriching environment with real biological interaction.
Metaverse feels like we are giving up on the natural world.
Throwing in the towel and accepting a life of empty synthetic hollowness. Everything driven by credits and transactions. Bitmaps. Nothing lasting or impactful to you beyond a sensory stream. It just sounds horrible and confining, like a jail.
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u/dull_knive 14d ago
He isn't an idea guy. He didn't think of the Facebook, he built it. He has no idea what real humans like.
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u/garlicroastedpotato 14d ago
Coming up with an operating system and having it on hardware is the only real path forward for Facebook. They've been locked out of Apple systems (a billion dollar hit to their revenue) and Android isn't making it easy for them either. By creating their own ecosystem they can... survive.
The best part is... they don't even have to be cool. Windows isn't cool. Android isn't cool. iOS isn't cool. But they're popular because they get you to the cool things. All they have to be able to do is get cool companies producing in their ecosystem.
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u/HaMMeReD 14d ago
The thing is, they aren't really locked out of android or any other open source OS, they can (and do) put it on their own hardware. E.g. Android is backing the quest right now.
The question is whether making their own OS would given them a competitive advantage over Android, because TBH, anyone can make a standalone Android VR headset at this point if they want.
However, if a custom VR OS is getting 200% performance by getting close to the metal, it makes it really hard for another Android headset to compete. It's more akin to wanting to build a game console OS.
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u/flufnstuf69 14d ago
I do not understand this bullshit. Your average person is not logging into the metaverse. He’s out of his fucking mind unless it’s just blatant money laundering.
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u/Background_Dream_920 14d ago
He will. Know why? Because at least one third of all of us in the world are straight up morons. He is going to play into their hands and give him exactly what he’s asking for.
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Even though It’s hard to get excited about this specificity I think it’s cool to see a company throwing a massive amount of money on a crazy idea. This optimization phase we are in is boring, let’s see some shots at innovation!
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u/LorthNeeda 14d ago
I agree. I wish it wasn’t all in an attempt to create a dystopian future almost precisely akin to Ready Player One.. but it’s neat to see nonetheless
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u/diarrhea_death 14d ago
And its copy, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VRChat
This isn't a wacky, crazy, out-there idea. It's been done a few times. And as you might imagine (since we don't live in Second Life Human Interface Capsules), neither one pulled in hundred of billions.
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u/Tweed_Man 14d ago
I still don't understand what the meta verse even is.
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u/NewCommonSensei 14d ago
Fake world in crappy 3d that looks like nintendo wii characters
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u/SomeKindofTreeWizard 14d ago
I'm sure Mark won't have ANY trouble competing with the established OS monopolies in phones and PC, and their toadies in congress.
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u/FirefighterIrv 13d ago edited 13d ago
Can you imagine a virtual world full of advertisements and misinformation? Zuckerberg can.
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u/SirNicksAlong 14d ago
60% of Americans living paycheck to paycheck
Rent, food, gas, electricity skyrocketing
Wages stagnant
Stock market crashing
Crops failing
Species going extinct
Mass shootings every week
Nuclear War threatened daily
Mark Zuckerberg: People are going to spend billions on virtual reality.
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u/No_Brilliant5576 14d ago
This guy really liked the movie Ready Player One and thought to himself that he could make a shittier version of that in real life.
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u/youknowiactafool 14d ago
Can't wait until it goes bankrupt and fuckerberg loses everything. Absolute scumbag.
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u/Kermit_El_Froggo_ 14d ago •
i think mark is mixing up "expects" and "really hopes"