r/technology May 16 '22

Court opens way for flood of Texas "censorship" lawsuits Social Media

https://www.axios.com/2022/05/16/court-texas-censorship-lawsuits-flood
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u/PKnecron May 16 '22

SO, how long until Twitter and Facebook ban users from Texas?

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u/Knerd5 May 16 '22

Just like how businesses avoid listing in Colorado because they require salary to be listed for jobs.

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u/Sm4sh3r88 May 16 '22

According to the new law, that's also grounds to sue. It states that banning users because of their location in Texas is censorship, never mind that, because of this new law, doing business there may become economically infeasible if they're going to be facing lawsuits left and right from Texans. On a side note, it will be interesting if social media sites start facing lawsuits from users being harassed, doxed, threatened with violence and such, from Texans because of the absence of moderation. If this happens, the State of Texas should be held liable for any awards to the plaintiffs; let's see how the Texas legislature likes that.

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u/Khayman11 May 16 '22

I don’t think Texas can force a business to operate in the state. That seems to be against the interstate commerce clause being federal in the Constitution. Of course, with this Supreme Court, I don’t trust them to follow the text of the Constitution in their rulings.

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u/mrmastermimi May 17 '22

the entire law is unconstitutional, but the supreme court doesn't seem to care anymore.

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u/tjtillmancoag May 17 '22

Seriously. When the Texas abortion law was put to them for an emergency stay, Even if they KNEW for certain they were going to overturn roe v Wade in a few months, it was still the existing law of the land and thus there should have been a stay put in place, because that’s how the fucking law works. The fact that there wasn’t is just demonstrative of how far gone this court is ideologically.

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u/DLS3141 May 17 '22

That’s what you get when you pack the court with three partisan hacks in a row.

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u/MoreNormalThanNormal May 17 '22

The lower courts were packed as well. Mitch held them up during Obama admin, and rushed them through with Trump.

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u/Sm4sh3r88 May 17 '22

I agree, but the Texas legislature seems to think that they can dictate beyond their borders. Texans, go figure.

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u/Imtoostupidformyface May 16 '22

I would assume the end result of this will be the end of social media. If assholes run the sites going forward, I’m not going to be going on those sites. The reason truth social doesn’t work is that no one goes on it. If only republicans use social media the sites will collapse.

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u/HereWe_GoAgain_ May 16 '22

Amazing that we're regressing so much as a society

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u/charlotte-ent May 16 '22

Texas in particular is doing a speedrun on regression. Can't imagine willingly living in such a shit hole state.

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u/justreadthearticle May 16 '22

Republicans got freaked out a while back when it looked like Beto might have an outside chance at a senate seat. They saw Austin becoming a tech hub that attracted liberals as an existential threat to their control so they're passing a bunch of intentionally outrageous laws to drive out liberals and make the state look worse so people stop moving there from CA and other blue states.

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u/CuriositySauce May 16 '22

Other than trying to woo Musk into moving Twitter headquarters to Texas if that ever is a done deal. The weirdness of that was I definitely remember when Teslas were starting to sell and Texas passed a law that made it illegal for Texans to buy Teslas directly, which is how Musk was selling cars. I think they were trying to force him into franchised dealerships so they could get their cut.

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u/DarthBrooks69420 May 16 '22

Naw, it was about keeping their stealership mega donors happy. Corporate real estate, fossil fuel, and dealerships are the big three who have a whole web of laws to keep conditions in Texas weighted to their advantage.

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u/WingsofSky May 16 '22

Texas is trying to lure Florida Disney over as well.

Then they'll screw them over again.

Red states have a high population of stupid people.

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u/crackhappy May 16 '22

They've done a good fucking job at convincing me not to move to Texas or add my wealth or anything else to that state of anarchy.

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u/WWDubz May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

Ive heard that their power grid is rock solid too, unless it’s slightly too warm or slightly too cold

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u/ExcerptsAndCitations May 16 '22

I am currently contracted as a consultant for the Austin power company, and frankly, I'm amazed that they manage to keep the lights on ever.

The entire operation is a house of cards, and the poisonous internal politics are astounding.

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u/R1150gsguy May 16 '22

the Austin power company

with friccin lasers !!

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u/hellflame May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

And that's just the Republican party. Wait u till you see the power plants!

Edit, the man can't take a joke appreantly

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u/tenachiasaca May 16 '22

Would it be a good analogy to say it only stays up because there's to many holes in the cards?

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u/Numarx May 16 '22

There was a 90 degree "heatwave" in Texas last week, we were asked to limit our energy usage. I think its getting worse here.

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u/justreadthearticle May 16 '22

It's definitely off my travel list. If you're really looking to move, Vermont is just about the opposite of Texas and is paying people to move there.

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u/polarbearrape May 16 '22

I grew up and live in Vermont. Good luck buying a house. We have an extreme housing shortage and low wages. Locals are pissed that the state is offering money to move in, but doing nothing to retain the people we have. Almost everyone in my age group and younger (I'm 33) has moved away.

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u/PM_ME_BAD_FANART May 16 '22

I looked it up out of curiosity and you’re not kidding. Even the “townhouses” look like they’re sitting on an acre of land. There’s like no density at all.

That’s really rough. Can’t believe the Gov is trying to entice people in without changing the zoning to make construction more dense.

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u/justreadthearticle May 16 '22

I mean if you're from Vermont housing prices are high, but if you're coming from a city and working remote then they're not bad.

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u/Kinggakman May 16 '22

Despite their efforts and ignoring the possibility of the GOP turning half the country into dictatorships, Texas will be blue whether they like it or not. Just wish it went faster.

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u/__babyslaughter__ May 16 '22

If their efforts go through, the entire counter can go blue and still be unable to effect meaningful change

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u/captainnowalk May 16 '22

Bruh come up with your own responses, not just copy pasting u/copperdomebodhi’s earlier comment.

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u/memorygardens May 16 '22

The brain drain red states will be getting the next 10 years will be crazy. And their states will fall apart

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u/spidereater May 16 '22

The problem is that it will cement GOP control of those states and their senate seats and electoral college votes. They will continue to have outsized influence and the GOP will have less incentive to actually be reasonable and compromise.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '22

They already have cemented control of those states, that is how they are doing these things. That ship has sailed.

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u/themightychris May 16 '22

quite a few were drifting purple/blue thanks to growing metros e.g. Georgia, Texas

That trend would probably be continuing/accelerating if not for the recent hard turn into sabatoging their own states, which I don't doubt is being enabled by stoking fear of "those people coming in and taking over"

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u/[deleted] May 16 '22

They keep gerrymandering. Best those states could hope for is flipping the governor only. State legislatures are all gerrymanderable, unlike the senate which is tied to the count of states.

State legislatures make crooked districts for both chambers of their state congresses.

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u/procrasturb8n May 16 '22

And, the best part is that they'll continue to need blue state tax dollars not to descend into bankruptcy.

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u/400921FB54442D18 May 16 '22

This is what I don't understand. Why not just cut off the continued subsidization of red states, and let nature take its course? Conservatives love to talk about how the economy is the important thing and how they, clearly, know what needs to be done in order to bring lots of high-paying jobs to the middle of Bumfuck, Nowhere. Let's give them a chance to prove it. I'm curious how they're going to get companies to offer six-figure salaries to people whose only science education consisted of singing "Jesus wants me for a sunbeam."

Then, later, when conservatives are literally facing the choice between their principles and starvation, we make federal funding contingent on respecting human rights, like bodily autonomy.

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u/procrasturb8n May 16 '22

It's the only way to avoid violence, imho.

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u/passinghere May 16 '22

That's just it, they don't want bright, intelligent people because those people can see through the lies and BS, they want dumb uneducated fucks that will believe everything Fox tells them and do as told by the state's leaders without a single thought in their mind that wasn't placed there by their controlled media

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u/memorygardens May 16 '22

It will ruin their economies to own the libs

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u/passinghere May 16 '22

They get insane amounts of government support from the very lib states they hate so why should they worry, they know that they can continue to keep talking about paying your own way / hating any form of "socialism", while sucking at the tit of government support to cover all their costs.

Fucking hypocrites

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u/memorygardens May 16 '22

Cut that shit off then

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u/passinghere May 16 '22

Would be so fucking hilarious (from the outside, not for the innocent population stuck there) to see this happen and the politicians try to explain how come they can only survive due to being dependant of benefits (socialism as they call it) from the blue states.

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u/furry_hamburger_porn May 16 '22

That’s why their abortion laws are so strict now. They have to restock the state with people because of their attrition rate being so high. I was once a Mississippian, then I got smart and moved away by the time I was 17.

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u/memorygardens May 16 '22

Its not going to stop abortions. Just safe ones

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u/furry_hamburger_porn May 16 '22

Never said it would and you are 100% spot on.

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u/cajunsoul May 16 '22

“I was once a Mississippian, then I got smart…”

There may be hope after all!

(Sorry, couldn’t resist). 😁

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u/memorygardens May 17 '22

Just adding to the conversation, not slamming you or anything.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '22

Most red states have already fallen apart. If not for the tax dollars received by their blue neighbors, they would be definitively failed states. Texas and Florida are the exception, though both are doing everything in their power to self destruct.

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u/FeelDeAssTyson May 16 '22

Ah, the ol' "Shit your pants so nobody sits next to you on the bus" technique.

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u/The_Unreal May 16 '22

Totally unnecessary though. Why live in a state that can't keep the power on?

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u/a_rod001 May 16 '22

Florida is trying this to I guess but with Disney.

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u/Athomas1 May 16 '22

If everyone who can, leaves. Then the only people left are those who can’t.

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u/portraitopynchon May 16 '22

That's the GOPs plan. They're ten years or so from becoming a swing state at current growth patterns. If they can chase out all the liberals they can, they can stall it out and keep their stranglehold on the state.

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u/NctrnlButterfly May 16 '22

Oh, so THAT’S what’s happening. Actually makes total sense

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u/HereWe_GoAgain_ May 16 '22

I try to avoid politics but it seems like Texas and Florida miss the good ole times.

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u/Not-Doctor-Evil May 16 '22

It's intentional. Post covid, work from home, etc, lots of people are migrating. These two states have had razor thin margins in the past.

Anything they can do to influence 500 people to go somewhere else or cheat the demographics their way.

It's the same reason they can't denounce Nazis. They have to be a blank slate for everyone on the right to project their views onto, even extreme ones. They can't afford to lose 500 votes.

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u/NeverDryTowels May 16 '22

I dont know… I live in TX and every two years I’m disappointed how the nazis keep getting elected again and again. I dont believe that the margins are razor thin.

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u/Not-Doctor-Evil May 16 '22

Florida is the one that has been within hundreds

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u/NeverDryTowels May 16 '22

Ah yes. I believe desantis won by ~30k votes, which is smaller than the number of people who’ve died due to being anti-vax, who are probably 90+% republican. 2022 could be interesting.

I think same for GA??

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u/Odd_Local8434 May 16 '22

Georgia's senators are blue with a red governor, talk about a swing state.

The lady who orchestrated both Senate wins is once again coming for the governorship in 22, will be interesting.

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u/Aztecah May 16 '22

Texas Republicans are in overdrive because the Texas Democrats have their actual first chance in forever.

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u/thoruen May 16 '22

Texas and Florida are both headed towards the shitter because both have Republican governors that want to be the next Trump.

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u/QdelBastardo May 16 '22

Don't forget about Ohio becoming the third corner of the Batshit Bermuda Triangle of Unholy Insanity.

It used to be nice here QQ

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u/Jaccount May 16 '22

It's never been nice in Ohio. It's why so many astronauts are from there. Even outer space isn't far enough to get away from Ohio.

Love,
The State of Michigan.

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u/IndividualAgency4971 May 16 '22

Isn't Texas wildly one of the most moved to states?

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u/Ok_Skill_1195 May 16 '22

I think history might just be this constant ebb and flow of progressives pushing for change, achieving some change, and then conservative freaking the fuck out and trying to reactively pull us back. So we're just constantly in this tug of war.

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u/everythingiscausal May 16 '22

"Conservative" is not an appropriate label here. They're not pushing back against new changes. They're trying to roll back progress made over 50, 100, in some cases 200+ years. Before these people were even in politics. They're not conservatives, they're far-right extremists actively working to shape the country into a White Christian nationalist faux-theocratic aristocratic fascist state. And they're succeeding, extraordinarily well.

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u/Odd_Local8434 May 16 '22

By my read it's a mix of conservatives, fascists, and theocrats. The conservatives are happily enabling the other two for the most part, and the theocrats and fascists along quite well, so the lines as to whose what are pretty blurry and somewhat immaterial.

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u/400921FB54442D18 May 16 '22

Tell you what. I'll believe that these people aren't "conservatives" when the people who DO identify as "conservatives" have voting patterns which differ in any measurable way from these people.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and water rolls off its back faster than fact-based arguments, then it's a duck; and splitting hairs is just a form of apologetics.

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u/ioncloud9 May 16 '22

It feels like the rate of regression has accelerated in the last 6 years and really picked up steam in the last 2.

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u/FuckinPeacemaker May 16 '22

It’s probably time for these social media companies to trial run turning Texas into a view only state for a couple weeks. Just put a banner at the top of the screen saying Texas legislators make it impossible for Texans to have a voice. They can either complain to their reps or on Parlor.

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u/dismayhurta May 16 '22

Garbage people want to pull us down into their shithole world.

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u/socsa May 16 '22

I still think this entire tantrum is going to burn itself out here by pushing too hard. And then we will be back to normal, boring politics, except now with a populous which is more inoculated against this kind of right wing information warfare.

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u/voiderest May 16 '22

A lot of the laws they push there are just going to be shut down with lawsuits. Either they blatantly violate existing federal law or are a novel attempt at a workaround everyone knows is bullshit.

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u/NeverDryTowels May 16 '22

Maybe, they do a christo-fascist SCOTUS now

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u/400921FB54442D18 May 16 '22

This is why it should be a criminal offense for a legislator to push a bill that plainly violates existing federal law or the constitution. Every elected official who uses their power to even attempt this sort of thing should be treated as a sociopath and spend the rest of their life slowly rotting in a cell, far away from the actual human beings and society that they were attempting to harm.

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u/Why_The_Fuck_ May 16 '22

I hope you are correct.

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u/TheConboy22 May 16 '22

The GOP trying their best to fuck everything up.

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u/agent_flounder May 16 '22

That's what will always happen when more progressive-minded folks become complacent, I suppose.

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u/400921FB54442D18 May 16 '22

I dunno about you, but as a progressive person, I wasn't invited to vote for judges in Texas anytime recently. Not sure what you think I should have done to prevent a majority of Texans from getting exactly what they wanted.

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u/drew1010101 May 16 '22

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Why does the "law and order" party hate the constitution?

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u/BrobdingnagLilliput May 16 '22

Because "law and order" is code for "keep those people out of my neighborhood and off the streets." Not exactly constitutional.

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u/drew1010101 May 16 '22

Bingo, just like “family values” is code for we only value white Christian families.

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u/timotheusd313 May 16 '22

In other words, Sharia.

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u/weedysexdragon May 16 '22

Law and order is for black people.

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u/redditreader1972 May 16 '22

"Law and order" is just a bumper sticker on a crappy model t noone's bothered to maintain and its passengers are unable to understand why it belongs in a museum.

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u/a_rod001 May 16 '22

I wish some of these social media platforms would nut up when gov does stuff like this just immediately pull service for the states regions or countries trying to pass ridiculous laws. When all of texas can’t access Facebook see how quick the bill dies.

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u/MidEastBeast May 16 '22

They will just be back in front of the big government, answering stupid questions from politicians that don't understand the internet. It'll be a vicious and endless cycle

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u/kilog78 May 16 '22

It defines "censorship" as acts that "block, ban, remove, deplatform, demonetize, de-boost, restrict, deny equal access or visibility to, or otherwise discriminate against expression."

Doesn't this make the platform algorithms illegal?

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u/LiamOttawa May 16 '22

They will just stop operating in Texas.

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u/socsa May 16 '22

More realistically, the outcome will be an initial flurry of jury decisions showing that routine enforcement of EULAs and basic user conduct policies is not censorship, and that there is actually no anti-conservative bias on these platforms. Meanwhile, the same laws will demonstrate that "conservative" platforms actually do censor non-conservative content. And suddenly everyone will forget about this narrative.

That's the whole problem with making stupid policy based on stupid conspiracy theories like this. It means you can't just hand wave and yell about - you actually have to throw the entire narrative into the sun and show people how dumb it actually is.

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u/LiamOttawa May 16 '22

My wife is as liberal as they come and she has been banned from at least 2 Facebook accounts. Once was for posting a meme about MAGA hats.

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u/bonfuto May 16 '22

FB definitely has an anti-liberal bias, either by choice or just the way their systems are set up. Conservatives have learned to manipulate their moderation systems. And for whatever reason, FB ignores threats of violence, which is common amongst conservatives as their argument of choice.

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u/Captain_Gonzy May 16 '22

Bro, I've seen literal hate speech on FB and I reported it. Got a message back form FB saying that it doesn't go against TOS but I can block the person if I want to.

FB is garbage and it will continue to be garbage.

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u/MadNinja77 May 16 '22

Delete Facebook.

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u/shockthemiddleass May 16 '22

I saw hate speech, reported it and was told if doesn't go against their TOS. Called the commenter spreading hate speech that his view was foolish and disgusting.

Got banned for 7 days for bullying. I chose to use their option to dispute the ban hoping one of their human moderators would see that I wasn't bullying but instead, I got banned for 30 days, lmao.

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u/Captain_Gonzy May 16 '22

FB caters to right leaning points. Hate speech is fine, bullying someone is not. The only thing I think of is that it's not directed at anyone in particular. So in FB's eyes:

All gays deserve to die! <--- totally ok
That one gay guy needs to die! <--- hey now, no bullying

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u/watboy May 16 '22

I've literally had a random stranger on Facebook messenger send me (and several other family members) a link to a porn site with revenge porn of another family member, and even after reporting them FB refused to do anything to the person.

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u/Sorge74 May 16 '22

Facebook is weird, they refuse to remove transphobic comments, but someone posted a beehive that infested a house, I replied on a friend's page "burn the whole house down" and Facebook sent me a moderation message saying it was against TOS....like calling a trans woman a man is ok, but joking about that situation, naw.

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u/RealRobc2582 May 16 '22

That's exactly why I left 2 years ago and never looked back. FB is a toxic dumpster fire in the irradiated zone of Chernobyl

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u/[deleted] May 16 '22

My liberal friend who reposted crazy shit to laugh at was banned 3 times. The sources of the false info are never banned.

The only explanation is that facebook purposely banned liberal accounts to boost the ban numbers so they could pretend to congress that they are doing something, when they are doing the opposite. They are letting the disinformation stand and are actively protecting it.

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u/LiamOttawa May 16 '22

That makes as much sense as anything else.

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u/HaElfParagon May 16 '22

Maybe that's an indication she should stay off shitbook

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u/Aedan2016 May 16 '22

Except the law was written to only apply to media networks with 50m or more users.

Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube are hit. But truthsocial is not

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u/megamanxoxo May 16 '22

How convenient.

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u/Xaero_Hour May 16 '22

It made it this far because one judge was so incompetent, he listed Facebook and Google as internet service providers. Our laws and lawmakers are NOT prepared to properly rule on these things.

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u/pixl_graphix May 16 '22

Depends if the first cases are judge shopped here in Texas.

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u/Winter_inquisition01 May 16 '22

Part of this "law" is that its illegal for companies to not allow access to them...

This whole thing is a desperate attempt to get Trump unbanned on all social media outlets...basically. (As banning him is now illegal in Texas, according to this.)

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u/LiamOttawa May 16 '22

Do the child pornographers get the same protection?

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u/400921FB54442D18 May 16 '22

As long as they've been ordained as ministers in the Baptist church, or hold a degree from a Baptist seminary, then yes.

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u/graesen May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

Use VPN to get access, still sues

Edit: Y'all are taking this too seriously. Was a joke at the stupidity some people have - you know someone will try this.

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u/tinyhandsPtape May 16 '22

Does this mean I can sue r/conservative for blocking me? Am Texan.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '22 edited May 19 '22

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u/techleopard May 16 '22

Let's all get banned from there for saying Trump sucks and then open a class action

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u/fohpo02 May 16 '22

Oof, what’d you get banned for?

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u/Xunfooki May 16 '22

I got banned for saying I was no longer a conservative, because I was tired of being lied to with the intent of stirring up hate.

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u/Not-Doctor-Evil May 16 '22

You can't quit, you're fired!

In other news, Bubbalous Bodacious BBQ has started banning vegans from their restaurant.

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u/Martin_Blank89 May 16 '22

Wait.. didn't they close the winter park location?

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u/Not-Doctor-Evil May 16 '22

Theres still 1 left, I just wanted to pick a classy spot for that line 🙂

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u/whatdoiwantsky May 16 '22

All I wrote was "yeah, I'm not seeing it." to some rwnj comment and I got banned. Talk about a cult. Fascists are fragile! Handle with scorn.

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u/MajSARS May 16 '22

Fragile like a snowflake?

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u/Rep-Binks May 16 '22

On that subreddit challenging any narrative they’re pushing will get you banned.

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u/MicroBadger_ May 16 '22

Pretty much. Years back I linked to a simple graph about the massive rise in filibuster use when Obama took office. Banned.

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u/fohpo02 May 16 '22

Yeah, I got banned following Jan 6th because some idiot was posting about traitors and I casually asked if they meant like people attacking their own government

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u/BlueSkySummers May 16 '22

Yeah they turned on Trump for his 2nd amendment comments for about 5 minutes and then banned anyone who brought it up

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u/Ericrobertson1978 May 16 '22

Can confirm. I got banned for posting scientific studies that countered their conspiracy theory bullshit.

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u/Not-Doctor-Evil May 16 '22

Surprise conservative social media is a microcosm of conservative mainstream media.

RINO! RINO! CANCELED! WOKE?

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u/Withnail- May 16 '22

Exactly, that’s how fascists work, don’t question authority or it’s narratives, drink the kool- aid and join the culture war echo chamber of their endless bitching.

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u/driverofracecars May 16 '22

You don’t even have to say anything to be censored in r/conservative. Most of the threads won’t let you comment unless you’re flaired. It’s literally a place where you can only speak if you’re a conservative.

And they like to complain about the liberal echo chambers.

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u/Withnail- May 16 '22

They are delicate flowers who wilt in the face of debate and different opinions.

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u/graesen May 16 '22

That sounds fun

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u/vangoghcuckurself May 16 '22

Who controls / is responsible for the moderators? What would prevent someone from being a nefarious mod?

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u/PlayingTheWrongGame May 16 '22

Legally that gets tricky if their terms of service explicitly exclude Texas and they take technical measures to block access to Texans.

IIRC, you might even be technically breaking federal computer hacking laws by evading their geo blocking to gain acres against their terms of service.

Not that it’s likely anyone would prosecute you for it, but it would make it difficult to pursue a lawsuit.

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u/OldJames47 May 16 '22

As a resident of Texas, I hope they do.

We could all do well with a collective “time out”.

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u/wickedwetwilly May 16 '22

That's another provision, they're not allowed to remove services from Texas to avoid the problem.

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u/Old_Smrgol May 16 '22

Sure, that sounds enforceable.

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u/LiamOttawa May 16 '22

So they think that they can tell a business owner that he can't close his business? FREEDUMB!!!

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u/ScottIBM May 16 '22

You can't not operate here!

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u/Thoughtfulprof May 16 '22 Ally

That's a little misleading. They're not allowed to discriminate based on geographic location, but if they stopped doing business altogether within state lines, no one in Texas would have grounds to sue in Texas courts.

The geographic location clause would come into effect if someone thought that their area (county, city) was being discriminated against by a company that was doing business in Texas.

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u/FluffyClamShell May 16 '22

Thank you for the nuance, I appreciate it.

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u/pixl_graphix May 16 '22

How does it work in the case where a resident of Texas is using the service in another state. For example California privacy laws apply to the resident even if their outside the state at that time.

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u/Thoughtfulprof May 16 '22

I'm no expert, but I'd assume that in order to avoid the lawsuits, companies based outside Texas would be unable to offer any services to anyone located inside Texas. That would include people who live in Texas, tourists, business travelers, or anyone even temporarily located inside Texas.

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u/PlayingTheWrongGame May 16 '22

That provision makes no legal sense whatsoever. Texas wouldn’t have jurisdiction to impose a penalty against a service that isn’t operating in Texas.

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u/lk5G6a5G May 16 '22

Haha, you’re trying to use reason.

HB 20, the law in question, actually does give the Texas government that power. I say good luck enforcing their laws in other jurisdictions. Although, it will be a cluster f*ck when they try.

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u/citera May 16 '22

Yeah, that's not fascist at all.

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u/capiers May 16 '22

It seems to me that if you voluntarily sign up to one of these free social media platforms than break the ToS these companies have the right to ban you.

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u/copperdomebodhi May 16 '22

Court is ordering every social media site to become 8chan, only 98% spam. Wonder how stock holders will feel about that.

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u/computer_helps_FI May 16 '22

Can you elaborate?

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u/NicholasFarseer May 16 '22

This article does a great job breaking it down.

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u/NeverDryTowels May 16 '22

Thanks for the link

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u/Withnail- May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

So if a white supremacist in Texas wants to post to celebrate the mass shooting in Buffalo and a social media network deletes the post on the platform they privately own, He can sue them?

Can a pedophile who wants to thirst over little girls on social media but has his post deleted also sue?

Last question: what the fuck is wrong with Texas?

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u/Significant_Swing_76 May 16 '22

Would a livestream of an active massacre shooting (it seems more fitting to call them massacre than mass) also be considered censorship? I’m pretty sure that some turds watching the latest one would be offended if the show is cut midair…

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u/kharlos May 16 '22

You're thinking about this as if the law is focusing on an absolutist stance on censorship. This law is written specifically to target censorship they don't like, and allow censorship they DO like.

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u/ogbcthatsme May 16 '22

These wing nut states want to create a gestapo society where your neighbor sues you to redress differences of opinion or personal choices. I wish this was part of a dark, twisted, dystopian novel, but alas it’s reality. 😩

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u/Matt_Tress May 16 '22

you mean gazpacho

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u/mrstipez May 16 '22

Justice is best served cold, with basil

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u/awosie May 16 '22

you mean a gazebo

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u/namezam May 16 '22

I think he means garbanzo. Smashem’ with a little olive oil and some pita bread. <smacks lips>

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u/EchoRex May 16 '22

This is literary the modern "libertarian" (right winger who wants to smoke pot) dream.

Next to no laws / regulations, everything litigated based on "merit".

Mainly because they think that "they" won't be on the receiving end.

Which is kind of funny with them also wanting to ban any media, or reporting, or laws of a laundry list of things from healthcare autonomy to marriage equality to racial equality to gender/sexuality equality.

They want THOSE to be controlled by government and for media companies to censor and ban anyone talking about anything anywhere near those.

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u/SR520 May 16 '22

Weed is still illegal in Texas funny enough.

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u/EchoRex May 16 '22

Only if you're poor or non white.

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u/SR520 May 16 '22

Bro rogan: “it’s total freedumb here what do you mean?”

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u/augustusleonus May 16 '22

Yet again, the party of small government passes laws to force their views on another segment of society

“You will not have the rights of a private company when it comes to the horrible things I say on a daily basis. In the name of freedom and Jesus I sentence you to serving as my platform for hate and misinformation”

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u/RedditTab May 16 '22

They'll turn it back when they realize why we moderate the internet.

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u/copperdomebodhi May 16 '22

Not when chaos is the goal. When things are destabilized enough, people will vote for authoritarians to get stability. That's why Tucker Carlson is advocating for white supremacy on national TV.

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u/pixl_graphix May 16 '22

Winner winner chicken dinner. I mean, it's a plot off a damn kids comic book. But it just goes to show the average voter is dumber than a 5th grader.

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u/br0mer May 16 '22

Average voter reads at like a 6th grade level. That's probably heavily propped up by left leaning voters being college educated. If you look at conservative voters, I wouldn't surprised if it was elementary levels of reading and comprehension.

I'm a physician who worked in Trump country. The people there are dumb with a capital D.

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u/augustusleonus May 16 '22

Idk, we are currently in a space where a minority of power is making a really successful effort to roll things back to the 1960s

30% of our population are absolute nut bag conspiracy theorists and hate mongers.

There is a prevailing view that providing citizens with basic rights is some evil socialist scheme

We are well on our way to creating the fist trillionaires while minimum wage is still in single digits and average house int costs are over a 1/4 million dollars

The unions that offered our grandparents a chance to raise a family on a single income are now viewed as evil money leeches

We have people live streaming murder sprees and the common response is “well, we need more guns on the street”

More and more politicians are making a point of holding or carrying guns in their political ads, sometimes just a pistol in a waistband like some doofus

Our most popular media outlets spout misinformation and conspiracy as authorities on the subjects and call it “entertainment”

The right has been claiming the left wants to destroy America for years, but they are the ones actively taking steps to push some civil war, and some even call for it from the podiums they command

The 2nd amendment is now code for “my followers will shoot your ass if you mess around”

These are not the people to realize their mistakes and correct the max they are gonna double down

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u/RedditTab May 16 '22

All of this seems right to me, but they just forced good God fearing christians to keep unmoderated content on their sites, like Christians Mingle. (Someone else on Reddit suggested posting NSFW pics and suing them)

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u/awosie May 16 '22

I remember being a kid and thinking that trillion wasn't even a real number.

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u/mattholomew May 16 '22

Facebook should do some malicious compliance and remove all moderation for Texas. Don’t want me to post the Baby Shark video in your gun enthusiast group 2,000 times a day? Too bad!

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u/Ericrobertson1978 May 16 '22

How can anyone possibly WANT this draconian authright conservative nonsense?

They claim to be the party of freedom, but they are the ones actively trying to oppress people, remove their rights, and subjugate their citizens.

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u/pixl_graphix May 16 '22

'Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect'

Watch "Always a bigger fish" to help understand how these people think. Some people demand to be ruled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agzNANfNlTs&

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u/Ericrobertson1978 May 16 '22

I just want to be left alone to do as I wish as long as I'm not hurting anyone else.

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u/lk5G6a5G May 16 '22

Yeah, that’s what the party of “small government “ says too even though their actions say different.

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u/StrongTownsIsRight May 16 '22

Conservatives: against bodily autonomy, free speech, freedom of association, doctor patient confidentiality, free market economics, want to raise our taxes

So is the only thing they really support as freedom of action is guns? That is some movement you have there.

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u/citera May 16 '22

This isn't constitutional, but we know the current SCOTUS doesn't give a shit.

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u/ogbcthatsme May 16 '22

1 A only applies to gov. There is no “constitutional” protection for 1A as it pertains to private businesses. Where’s the constitutional literalists who bemoan reading into the sacred and hallowed texts of our foregone oracles? It’s long been held by courts that speech is not absolutely protected, like everything else in life. To seek to rewrite that judicial precedent is the same bench “activism” maligned by those opposed to the same antics. It’s one big hypocritical gas light session, but they’re playing with the proverbial houses money while we play with our lives.

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u/beef-o-lipso May 16 '22

SCOTUS majority is activist judges. As evidence, I present the impending overturning of Roe v. Wade1. 50 years of precedence overturned. I am not confident SCOTUS will make this distinction against Texas.

  1. This is NOT about Roe. Overturning Roe is an example of judicial activism.

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u/ogbcthatsme May 16 '22

You’re absolutely right, it’s 100 trillion percent NOT about any merits, but instead a sick, twisted, and zealot driven imposition of moralistic ideals from judgmental and hateful “followers of Jesus.”

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u/elister May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

Stupid law, hope it gets struck down..... but if it doesn't, it might actually be entertaining.

Imagine being a reporter covering these cases. Someone gets banned from YouTube because they posted the most awful shit imaginable, on a video thats beyond fucked up. All that gets documented by the courts and people cant hide behind usernames anymore. The person suing gets outed as troll, bigot, idiot, etc. After a few months, you end up with a huge collection of brazen assholes who sued to get unbanned. Lawmakers then have to defend the law by defending the user who sprayed verbal diarrhea online.

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u/TimeTravellerSmith May 16 '22

More like, watch the Texas court systems implode because it can't handle the number of new cases.

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u/sassy-and-frassy May 16 '22

I got banned from r/conservative and I am now looking for legal representation please. I’m gonna sue their asses into oblivion 🤠

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u/MrRisin May 16 '22

47 U.S. Code § 230

Nothing in this section shall be construed to prevent any State from enforcing any State law that is consistent with this section. No cause of action may be brought and no liability may be imposed under any State or local law that is inconsistent with this section.

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u/pointy_object May 16 '22

I still recommend investing in Texas real estate, as people will continue to move, and for the republicans to pack a nice bag, as they’ll be in their way out in the next ten years.

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u/exhaledeeply May 16 '22

What happened to, "If you don't like it take your business somewhere else"?

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u/Bbaftt7 May 16 '22

“Between the lines: In theory, a social media platform could just stop taking posts from Texans as it hopes for HB 20 to lose in court.

But the law defines removing content based on "a user's geographic location in this state or any part of this state" as censorship, too, so such a move wouldn't end the flood of lawsuits.”

How tf are they going to try and enforce something that entails geographic location? So after it goes into effect, any of the giant social media platforms what, have to let people in Texas use their platforms??

Texas is dumb as rocks.

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u/Nernoxx May 16 '22

Yet another conservative judicial activist trying to take away established rights because it makes the little MAGA babies sad.

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u/LilShaver May 16 '22

“The First Amendment prohibits Texas from forcing online platforms to
host and promote foreign propaganda, pornography, pro-Nazi speech, and
spam.”

^^^ That's from the article. ^^^

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

^^^ That's from the Constitution. ^^^

See the difference?

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u/Nonthares May 16 '22

The article's summary of what the first ammendment does in regards to this case fits within the constitution. The right to associate includes the right to dissociate.

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u/mymar101 May 16 '22

So it’s illegal to block spam?

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u/KenyanKo May 16 '22

Is conservatism just if I don't like you having rights no one can have them, cause yall have no I tellgence when it comes to decision making or following your own morals, what happened to small government and individual privacy, oh right yall are actually religious extremists.

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u/pixl_graphix May 16 '22

"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect"

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u/littleMAS May 16 '22

Does this mean Texas wants porn on Facebook?

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u/Loki-L May 16 '22

Texas wants gay porn on "TRUTH social".

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