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Elon Musk Will Fund Twitter Deal With Money From Countries That Suppress Free Speech Social Media

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/elon-musk-twitter-free-speech-saudi-arabia-qatar-funding
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u/mateodeloso May 06 '22

What's the difference between this and any other media conglomerate?

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u/GaryGool May 06 '22

The other media conglomerates decided to not suppress this.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '22

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u/dontdoxmebro2 May 06 '22

Twitter is currently owned by people from countries that suppress free speech.

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u/romanJedi67 May 06 '22

Elon has plans to sell a lot of Teslas to China. Will they have a say in Twitters free speech?

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u/arashvenus May 06 '22

It'll work like this:

1-One can say whatever they want to say

2-We authenticate all users to improve accountability

3-If country's law's are broken, twitter will easily work with governments

So I think it won't be that free, that being said it'll be more free in US

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u/Mattoosie May 06 '22

3-If country's law's are broken, twitter will easily work with governments

Yup, it's that easy...

There's absolutely no way this isn't a massive shit show.

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u/TarzanTheRed May 06 '22

As in Twitter begins meeting MySpace for tea and crumpets?

I agree.

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u/Arcolyte May 06 '22

Why you have to do MySpace like that? What did they ever do to you?

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u/Mulielo May 06 '22

Tom poked me when I was a kid.

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u/living-silver May 06 '22

That was FB that allowed poking. It’s easy to forget, that was so long ago.

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u/salsashark99 May 06 '22

I still think you can. I remember doing it fairly recently

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u/tryingtodefendhim May 06 '22

You have 1 friend.

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u/Live-Ad6746 May 06 '22

That was zuk

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u/danieltkessler May 06 '22

Take my upvote you hilarious heathen

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u/twitch1982 May 06 '22 edited May 06 '22

I had some guy trying to tell me it can be done by AI, and machine learning is advanced enough that the systems can teach themselves what is and isn't protected speach.

Musk can't get "AI" to drive a car, but it's going to understand a couple hundred years of jurisprudence and apply it. Sure.

Edit: hi stans. I don't fucking care enought to reply individually.

People can't agree on what counts as protected speech vs illegal speech. That's why we still have courts. You can't teach an AI to identify something we can't agree on. If you think all it requires is "identifying keywords" you don't understand AI, speech laws, nor language.

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u/ParlorSoldier May 06 '22

“Hey AI, how do you define free speech?”

“I know it when I see it.”

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u/trivial_sublime May 06 '22

Thank you Justice Stewart

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u/TwoKeezPlusMz May 06 '22

In different languages and culturally diverse contexts, no less.

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u/Va-Va-Vooom May 06 '22

you would absolutely need ai to make a selection for humans to be reviewed. otherwise twitter would need like 5 million reviewers or something.

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u/Sekret_One May 06 '22

I mean, we can't get people to clearly identify these things.

Feel like our AI is going to learn that if someone says "happy holidays" to you its a violation of your Hipaa Rights

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u/Jswartz18 May 06 '22

Yeah he already said he wantes a pretty uniform platform- the real question is when China or India see a massive protest/ what they call “disinformation” and demand it be taken down. Will Elon risk two of the biggest markets in the world for this little pet project of his? I dont think so, hes way to fucking leveraged on his loans which are hedged on his tesla shares- which means if the tesla shares plummet the banks will call in their loans and he will be fucked

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u/arashvenus May 06 '22

I mean it already works like this case by case.

You say something on Twitter by your name threatening someone else, they can easily file a complaint to police with the tweets.

It'll be that, with less anonymity

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u/MisterMysterios May 06 '22

The thing is that a lit of these "free speech" that Musks seems to want to allow on twitter run afoul of, for example, European incitement to hatred laws, and the EU just made laws to hold social media liable if they lack in proper moderation, punishable up to I think 6 % of the annual world wide revenue.

So, it is not only the "handing information over to the police", but a necessity to provide adequate moderation to prevent incitement to hatred and similar things.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '22

Trust me not being arrested and not being censured is a subtlety that eluded the American conservative

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u/usernamewamp May 06 '22

So what will happen when a US twitter user tweets something against the Chinese government and breaks one of their laws?

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u/RawrCola May 06 '22

If it's like other websites, the tweet gets blocked in China.

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u/wadss May 06 '22

twitter along with every us based social media app is already blocked in china

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u/speedneeds84 May 06 '22

More importantly, what happens when some ex-pat Chinese dissident starts posting things China doesn’t like and Tesla factories in China suddenly grind to a halt. I look forward to this inevitable shitshow meltdown.

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u/Logical_Area_5552 May 06 '22

Did you just wake up from a long coma?

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u/khem1st47 May 06 '22

It’s easy, it already happens in fact. That tweet will not appear to Chinese users.

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u/pUdepoD May 06 '22

Jail. Straight to jail.

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u/ShuffKorbik May 06 '22

You tweet too much? Jail. You tweet too little? Believe it or not, jail. Overtweet, undertweet.

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u/joe4553 May 06 '22

Specially when the owner is now one person who is very reliant on China for his supply chain and customer base.

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u/bard329 May 06 '22

2-We authenticate all users to improve accountability

3-If country's law's are broken, twitter will easily work with governments

Shit... and people were worried the covid vax had a tracking chip....

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u/bobartig May 06 '22

While already carrying a $1000 tracking chip in their pocket, paying $100/month for the privilege of said chip, running either Android or iOS. And, when that tracking chip runs out of battery, that's when they really get mad.

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u/ghostdate May 06 '22

Plus the little piece of plastic with a chip that in essence tracks your purchases.

People act like the tracking thing can only be done if you have a microchip implanted directly in you, but we’ve gladly accepted chips of multiple kinds in our pockets that we love to carry around and they can be used to track our locations, things we read about and do online, and things we buy.

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u/jushereforthecandy May 06 '22

Got em in our tires too.

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u/rebeltrillionaire May 06 '22

Actually, it’s even a couple steps further than that because “you” exist regardless of any particular device.

Your data is tracked: when you purchase a car, insurance, sign up for school, credit card transactions, browser and emails, and pretty much any activity that has a digital component with a unique identifier (most things require a user to be uniquely identified).

On top of this, “you” can also be inferred. When anyone purchases or does anything that would make sense for another person to be involved, “you” get a shadow profile built.

This is of course much harder, and you can attempt to obfuscate your shadow by ensuring trackers are turned off and Adblock services run and you sign up with false information to trials and such.

I myself have mostly given up. It’s easier to work on being less susceptible to being marketed to than it is to effectively erase your digital self. I use lots of blockers, and have a spam email address, but I feel like if you’ve grown up with the internet you kind of spot the nefarious “I am reaching out to you because I bought your data and now I’m gonna scam your money” and the regular old “I bet YOU would really like this, ya sick fuck”.

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u/cryptosupercar May 06 '22

A tracking supercomputer in your pocket into which you willingly log your emotional reaction to the most minute level of social/political phenomena so that they can Gepetto your next emotional reaction/purchase/vote while you think you’ve got “free will”

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u/ThePickleJuice22 May 06 '22

If you're paying $100 a month, you're being ripped off.

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u/WeirdWest May 06 '22

No, it will end up like this:

1-One can say whatever they want to say

2-Saudi Princes and the CCP will try to stop anything critical

3-Musk/Twitter will block users or delete tweets depending on how they are feeling on that particular day weighed against their own ongoing business dealings with these evil fucks

So basically it becomes Musk's plaything to apply censorship selectively to empower or challenge any business, country or celebrity as he sees fit at that specific time

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u/Jenkinsd08 May 06 '22 edited May 06 '22

I feel like instead of comparing the government policies of the nationalities of the people who run Twitter vs the government policies of nationalities of the people who are funding musks purchase to determine the likely outcome of Musks purchase, we should just look at the track record of Musk himself vs the track record of Twitter as its been run currently.

And if anyone cares, I don't think you should be remotely optimistic given that comparison despite whatever complaints you have about the present state of Twitter

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u/[deleted] May 06 '22

Musk is a great hype man for his companies. That's his strongest asset.

That and the ability to wring out every last drop of productivity from his employees. So maybe Twitter's customer service teams might actually answer emails for once?

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u/Nvenom8 May 06 '22

From the bottom of my heart, I do not care what happens to Twitter.

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u/Deto May 06 '22

The problem is that Twitter ends up affecting the world (because we're in the darkest timeline) and so even if you don't care about using Twitter you should still care about Twitter as a platform because it will affect you indirectly.

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u/SelloutRealBig May 06 '22

All these replies to your comment prove we really are in the darkest timeline.

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u/jkst9 May 06 '22

Yeah seriously Redditors acting like Twitter doesn't effect them directly when half of the content on reddit is from twitter

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u/HereComeDatHue May 06 '22

People really seem to underestimate how companies like Twitter, Facebook and Google have the ability to shift humanity in one direction or another. Like world changing shit. It makes no sense to not care about them.

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u/noxwei May 06 '22

Sadly Twitter is a public discourse that resonate into the physical. Doesn’t matter if we hate it, we have to figure out a way to fight it’s negative effects. Then again, my fucks are thinning.

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u/Nvenom8 May 06 '22

I mean, if it gets too fucked up, people will just leave it behind. It happened to tumblr. It can happen to any social media giant.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '22

But MySpace is still good, right!? Let me know and I'll update my Geocities site to let everyone else know.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22 edited May 06 '22 Silver Gold Starry

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u/onemany May 05 '22

It's astonishing that people still like this guy.

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u/SchrodingerCattz May 06 '22 edited May 06 '22 Take My Energy Today I Learned

I'll never forget him defaming a random dude just trying to help save some kids. And he still refuses to admit he was wrong, that he made the accusation out of nothing but malice because he was being pissy about being ignored.

Elon is a piece of shit. He doesn't have the capacity to act like a cognitively normal/rational human being on a consist basis.

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u/hurricaneRoo1 May 06 '22

Reminds me of Donald Trump and the Central Park 5. No retraction. Thankfully Elon can’t run for President.

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u/regmaster May 06 '22

Never underestimate what fresh hell might await us if Trump wins again.

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u/c0224v2609 May 06 '22

Lemme guess: black boots and brown shirts?

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u/Pata4AllaG May 06 '22

He made 3 Supreme Court justice selections, and here we are just about to overturn Roe v Wade. The tyranny doesn’t show up in black boots and brown shirts, it slowly materializes as the rights of women are put under pressure, and it’s not impractical to also worry for the rights of gays, the trans community, and people of any faith other than Christianity.

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u/pacificnwbro May 06 '22

I'm gay and as soon as I read the news about all of this my heart broke for the women out there, and once it sank it I realized that they'd definitely be coming for us next. Luckily I'm in WA so I'll be pretty safe, but it's really shitty to see what's happened over the course of the last six years after seeing so much progress the ten years prior. I really thought that we were going to be as progressive as we should be.

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u/Socky_McPuppet May 06 '22

And tacky TRUMP-branded handbags that are actually just poorly made imitations of a Kate Spade bag.

Adolf Hitler had Hugo Boss - Agolf Twitler has Ivana …

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u/SeaGroomer May 06 '22

Some republicans were flirting with lifting that rule back when Arnold Schwarzenegger was in politics and the Republicans hoped they could use him for a national big before realizing he wasn't really their kind of republican lol.

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u/FuzzySoda916 May 06 '22

He wasn't even really a Republican lol.

I mean he was kinda fiscally conservative but that's about it

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u/simplebirds May 06 '22

Republicans are fiscally conservation is one of the biggest lies ever told. Can’t believe anybody still believes this.

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u/Jeegus21 May 06 '22

Fiscally conservative to themselves at the expense of everyone else.

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u/snap-erection May 06 '22

Didn't pretty much every Republican president since Nixon make a new government agency or something like that? As in the party of "small government" adds another arm of the police to the state, just because. DEA, Department of Homeland Security, Space Force, any more?

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u/interpretivepants May 06 '22

Put an R by your name and who knows. In an age in which you can find Americans claiming they would rather be Russian than democrat, and a SCOTUS using feelings to guide law, this doesn’t actually seem so far fetched.

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u/Yossarian_the_Jumper May 06 '22

No retraction.

And doubled down when the were exonerated.

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u/mikec20 May 06 '22

This one pissed me off too.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1517707521343082496?s=21&t=juxudJMGtWzen7tmwdJdDg

The problem is people see the richest man in the world acting like a school bully and think it is ok for them to do the same

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u/Kilrov May 06 '22

Wow...I don't follow this guy at all but I had to double take this to believe it's real. What a child.

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u/redrobot5050 May 06 '22

And he’s doing that because Bill Gates shorted Tesla stock to the tune of billion dollars or so after Elon fixated on buying twitter. Elon tries to frame it as “so much for Bill Gates really caring about Climate change” when the reality is more like “Bill Gates cares about climate change, and lost faith in Tesla leadership.”

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u/TheJimiBones May 06 '22

Which is funny since Bill Gates just made billions by shorting Tesla

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u/TartarosHero May 06 '22

He's like a redditor/Quidiot in that he just makes baseless pedophilia accusations.

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u/willywalloo May 06 '22

Should we all test Twitter by just posting a bunch of lies that are technically free speech but are aimed at ending humanity?

Someone did it once and was removed from all platforms. I don’t get the excitement over free speech if it’s just allowing everyone to endlessly lie while obtaining a ton of followers.

We have people that write stories and spend sometimes a year editing and finding evidence. Then when it’s posted we have people who spend about one second reading it, quip out a line and get a ton of likes just because it “feels” right in the moment.

Come about a few months later we all shit ourselves when we realize the original story was better than the top comment.

Lately it’s been nice reading the researched stuff and ignoring all the shit written below (at least until the more thought out comments make it to the top)

But Twitter is user based, not as content based. A low value comment can get a ton of likes under a person who has a ton of followers. This is the bug with the algorithm.

Say what you want, but don’t let the algorithm give the king award to those with a shit ton of followers. Kings can shit on everyone and make you think they are right for doing it.

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u/stemcell_ May 06 '22

Thats why we hear about him i think he throws money around for exposure, hes like the reverse r/chooserbegger

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u/fakeprewarbook May 06 '22

IT’S FOR MARS, HONEY!

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u/time2fly2124 May 06 '22

Got a favorite serial killer too?

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u/SeaGroomer May 06 '22

I have heard Beyonce has been know to slay from time to time.

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u/Ayroplanen May 06 '22

Probably projecting.

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u/mycroft16 May 06 '22

I love the push he's made in EV and Space among other things. But the man is an absolute arrogant self obsessed dickhead.

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u/mindbleach May 06 '22

Some people really think more money = better than.

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u/maurimo May 06 '22

Not so sure. You can't be convinced to like him, but you can be convinced that the majority of people do, this is how narrative works. Not so sure that's the case that most people like him anymore.

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u/Sega-Playstation-64 May 06 '22

Rewind Reddit about 6 or 7 years and you would be downvoted for saying anything negative about him.

There was a story about him berating an employee for missing a meeting because his wife went in to labor, and the defending comments were "When you work for Elon you have to expect your time is not your own".

Fuck that noise. Replace Elon with Steve Jobs and no one would have put up with that.

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u/littleski5 May 06 '22

Oh they would have back in the day, every tech bro was a Steve jobs fan at least for a time.

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u/BasketballButt May 06 '22

At least all the tech people I knew were Woz fans and hated Jobs getting all the credit. Maybe that was just in the circle of people I knew.

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u/bentheechidna May 06 '22

I was under the impression that aside from Woz no one realized what a dick Jobs was until he died.

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u/SimmonsReqNDA4Sex May 06 '22

Oh they knew but he was so powerful they didn't want to talk about it.

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u/LillyPip May 06 '22

Apple UX designers knew, and I heard he was a dick when I went to a WWDC before he died. Apparently he terrorised design teams and was known to call a designer at 3am to shout at them over a minor change to an icon or whatever. He micromanaged TF out of designers. It seems logical he was that way with other people, too.

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u/child_of_air May 06 '22

Nobody should have to put up with that at all. Ever.

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u/TheBirminghamBear May 06 '22

Well to be fair to Reddit 6 or 7 years ago, Elon has been on a hardcore mission of self-defamation those last 6 or 7 years.

Like, I'm not arguing the guy was ever a saint or anything, but he's been really committing to proving out the fact he's not some real-life Tony Stark but is, in fact, just a fucking idiot with way too many resources.

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u/jrob323 May 06 '22

People on Reddit are in large part young and consider themselves tech savvy. As an old guy, it was always frustrating to see them throw their skepticism out the window and believe everything that dribbled out of this guy's mouth. They truly believed they were going to be living on Mars in a couple of years. It was like a cult.

I've probably received more downvotes in the last seven or eight years for daring to speak ill of Elon than for any of my other crotchety old man shenanigans.

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u/LoudMusic May 06 '22

Definitely not most but there are still quite a lot of people who do. And he's gained the attention of a lot of conservative republicans with this Twitter thing. They all expect him to unban a lot of their heroes.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '22

He does well with the younger audiences easily. I.e. dogecoin

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u/Sneet1 May 06 '22

I know way too many rich middle aged men who genuinely believe him to be some kind of messiah. They know shit about him as though he was a pop star, ie specific personal details, on the wait list for literally every product

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u/[deleted] May 06 '22

Our comments are the same to me Lol

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u/Scautis May 06 '22

I thought he was what he projects himself to be when Tesla started producing. Over the years I've read a lot about the sham that he is.

Rich people...

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u/SchwillyThePimp May 06 '22

Yea people think hes Howard Fucking Hughes, hes not. Hes not a genious. He's probably pretty smart but hes not the one inventing this shit or doing the calculations for space X or building any of it.

He just regurgitates what people he overworks and underpays that are smarter than him say.

Fuck Elon Musk.

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u/WWDubz May 06 '22

Lots of folks had a weird boner for Jobs as well, and lots of other CEOs

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u/therisingape-42 May 06 '22

Well the thing about jobs was that he never projected himself to be the saviour of mankind(people did) he was a gigantic asshole in public and irl,and he was efficient who didn't go around making wild claims,and neither did he claim to be the modern day Da Vinci.

So I would take him over musk anyday.

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u/audeus May 06 '22

People still like trump. Musk looks like a saint in comparison

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u/CaptainK3v May 06 '22

I don't like musk but he is a Saint by comparison

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u/jayRIOT May 06 '22

I used to like him, up until the whole dogecoin bullshit when I realized he's just a bumbling immature idiot who has the most fragile ego on the planet.

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u/FuzzyLogick May 06 '22 Pot o' Coins

Even if he didn't the mindless who think he is some sort of good guy billionaire probably have the same capacity to think as a bot.

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u/Actually-Yo-Momma May 05 '22

Can someone program a Reddit extension that removed all posts with Elon in it? So freaking tired of seeing this idiot

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u/egypturnash May 06 '22

seriously, if he does buy Twitter and decides to try and make himself its main character every day forever that's gonna be the last straw for me, I'm already halfway gone from there.

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u/Lord-Bjorn May 06 '22 edited May 06 '22

If you actually read it and have comprehension SA is rolling over an investment They Already Have in Twitter etc. The headline is misleading AF. It isnt new. And Qatar has a fund that is investing $375 million hardly notable when he’s paying $44 billion. Bullshit propaganda article which is ironic.

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u/karsnic May 06 '22

It’s just your usual propaganda, the fools will never actually read the article, just use it as fire for their pitiful arguments.

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u/slyguyomy May 06 '22

Hate to break it to everyone using computers or phones to read this but you too support countries that suppress freedom of speech. What a dumb fucking title.

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u/GooodLooks May 06 '22

It’s already largely owned by Saudi royals

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u/smellyswordfish May 06 '22

I tried to say this before elon bought twitter but every reply I got said they weren't board members so they weren't significant

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u/[deleted] May 06 '22

They say as if having huge Saudi investment isn't a massive incentive not to govern Saudi Twitter the same way western Twitter spheres are governed lmao

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u/Butterscotch766 May 06 '22 edited May 06 '22

they own like 2-3%. I wouldn't call that largely

Edit: it's around 4.4% actually

A 2015 regulatory filing showed that Alwaleed, along with his Kingdom Holding Company, owned a 5.2% stake in the social media platform. The Bloomberg Billionaires Index estimates the position is now about 4.4% of Twitter.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-14/billionaire-prince-alwaleed-rejects-musk-s-twitter-bid

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u/GeneticsGuy May 06 '22

That actually would have put them literally as the 2nd largest shareholders in Twitter, behind Musk's 9% that he just bought in. Prior to that they were the largest shareholder.

It's easy to downplay it, but when you are the largest shareholder in a publicly traded company, you have sway in a company.

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u/TheFlashFrame May 06 '22 edited May 06 '22

We can assume he's talking about individual shareholders. Elon is the largest individual shareholder of Twitter. He has the largest individual influence over the company, even without owning the company. The four companies you listed are all banks, ETFs, and investment funds with teams of data analysts deciding when to buy and sell. AFAIK they don't really influence the company at all. If you have Vanguard shares then you get an email from Vanguard when its time to vote in a twitter shareholder meeting.

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u/Butterscotch766 May 06 '22

I just checked again and you're right. He's the 2nd largest individual shareholder now after musk.

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u/TheFlashFrame May 06 '22

When Jack Dorsey himself only owned 2.5%, I would consider that large.

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u/ilovethrills May 06 '22

4.4% is HUGE, wtf are you talking about

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u/RetainToManifest May 06 '22

Is r/technology still about technology Or has it fallen victim to...

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u/420shuvit May 06 '22

It’s important to note that Saudi Prince in question, Alwaleed bin Talal, is one of the oldest and the largest shareholders of Twitter. Twitter took money from These countries years ago. In fact, the Saudi prince didn’t even want Elon to buy Twitter in the first place. A omission of truth is still a lie. Disgusting journalism out of buzzfeed. Source posted bellow

https://www.reuters.com/technology/saudi-prince-alwaleed-bin-talal-rejects-elon-musks-twitter-takeover-bid-tweet-2022-04-14/

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u/thenameofyourpillow May 06 '22

What absolute garbage of an article. Did they do any research on who currently sits on the board? This is almost as bad as the daily dot or those trash click bait Bloomberg articles.

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u/TonyTabasco May 06 '22

Welcome to Buzzfeed.

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u/Modern_sisyphus32 May 06 '22 edited May 07 '22

What do you fund? That money comes from countries who suppress free speech… wait how about the fact that everything you purchase pretty much comes from a country that suppresses free speech. This stupidity can’t go on to much longer right?

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u/Candid_Indication_45 May 06 '22

Awesome…. So now we have principles when the saudis used to be a majority share holder? You don’t see this push back with the Washington post. Doesn’t Amazon abuse workers rights? I’m not defending Elon I’m just astonished at the lack of principle in these arguments

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u/DES_STROY_YAH May 06 '22

I often think American citizens including myself lack a lot of conviction for our principles.

Neo-Liberal lazie faire capitalism is a strong asset ideologically but also is one of our worst instincts.

Actors and athletes having to apologize to china, Apple committing labor abuses abroad. All for the sake of a paycheck over a conviction to doing the right thing.

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u/mangled-jimmy-hat May 06 '22

Wasn't there a big issue about how twitter is a private company and they don't have to care about free speech?

When did that narrative change?

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u/Vikingboy9 May 06 '22

When it became privately owned by the “wrong” people. It’s pretty entertaining how immediately the discourse flipped.

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u/JorusC May 06 '22

They're awfully quiet about Google playing ball with China and erecting the Great Firewall.

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u/wavegeekman May 06 '22

Selective demands for virtue are interesting and informative.

Like how everyone is losing their minds about electricity used by bitcoin. But private jets used by politicians don't seem to be an issue.

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u/RiverFishing4life247 May 06 '22

You can be from a country that doesn’t believe in free speech, but you yourself believes in free speech. Don’t understand the point.

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u/Cheveyo May 06 '22

The food you're eating was grown with fertilizer imported from Russia. Which means you're all responsible for the suffering of Ukrainians.

See how idiotic this kind of thinking is?

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u/DevAnalyzeOperate May 06 '22 edited May 06 '22

The same people who are financing Elon's takeover currently own part of twitter.

The interesting story behind the clickbait is that the Saudi's refused to give up their stake in twitter. Important to note is that 80% of Saudi citizens are Twitter users. They were making noise about how they wouldn't allow Elon to buyout twitter. They also certainly had enough money to block a takeover. NOW Elon is making them part of the buyout deal and has said things about "Respecting local laws". This is to me, all a coded message that Elon plans to be complicit with Saudi censorship re: Saudi citizens.

The important nuance here is that this is NOT a change to the status quo, but it's cowardly on Elon's end to give into Saudi's, when they are the biggest enemies to free speech on Twitters board. If you want to talk shit about how terrible the "triggered libs" or "freeze speech cons" are, you can do so, these people do believe in free speech to some extent despite all the criticism. If you talk shit about the House of Saud, they will imprison you, they will fucking murder you, and when somebody makes a documentary about their censorship and murder later (The Dissident) they will use their influence to intimidate the streaming services into not airing it.

It's obvious what happened here. The Saudi's threatened a bidding war, and Elon cowardly kowtowed to the Saudis and decided to appease them.

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u/JSK23 May 06 '22

Elon made it very clear in this TED discussion regarding the Twitter purchase that he would follow local laws as needed. This isn't some big surprise. It seems his biggest gripe is that in the states it doesn't follow local laws, and he feels its a bit heavy handed.

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u/SerbLing May 06 '22

Elon cowardly kowtowed to the Saudis and decided to appease them.

Oh you mean like the entire western world?

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u/Titaneuropa May 06 '22

By that measure every time someone buys a made in china product, they are fueling a society that suppresses free speech too. Is it not?

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u/ProfessionalBuy2757 May 06 '22

Lol is that every country at this point?

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u/kfuse May 06 '22

Newsflash! Almost everything we interact with everyday is connected to money from countries that suppress Free Speech in some way.

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u/mutebathtub May 06 '22

Is this different from how Twitter funds Twitter now?

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u/Jorge1939 May 06 '22

Clickbait. The existing Saudi shareholders of twitter, who nobody cared about before, will still be shareholders.

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u/dirtywook88 May 06 '22

Just wait, this fool will turn your ass in to employers for talkin shit and states for supporting RvW

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u/WeekendReasonable280 May 06 '22

Can’t wait for everyone to cry on their Chinese owned Tik Tok apps

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u/-Fischy- May 06 '22

They already do on Chinese owned Reddit

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

I left Twitter over a year ago, complete garbage

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u/mnemamorigon May 06 '22 Starry

I see this sentiment expressed a lot. But I think it’s what you make of it. I deleted my original account and created a new one following people I genuinely like and am inspired by. Tons of artists, poets, indie game devs and musicians. I unfollow anyone that gets political or preachy.

My feed is genuinely great and I rarely see the kind of shit people rage quit Twitter over. I’m most worried about Elon messing up something I actually like.

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u/trogon May 06 '22

Exactly. If you're careful about what you follow, Twitter is amazing. I have more legitimate engagement on Twitter than any other social media.

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u/mnemamorigon May 06 '22

Same goes for Reddit. My experience dramatically improved when I unsubscribed from most of the default subreddits and focused on smaller well-moderated subs.

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u/vladik4 May 06 '22

r/technology is shit. I'm going to unsubscribe.

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u/Matthew-of-Ostia May 06 '22

One of the biggest danger of mass social medias is how easily they can turn into ideological echo chambers. Gotta be careful not to fully close yourself off from reality I suppose.

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u/Alcohooligan May 06 '22

That's the same with all social media. I have no problem deleting dramatic family members from Facebook. Since then, Facebook has become a better experience to interact with family from other countries that I probably wouldn't interact with.

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u/TheNumberOneRat May 06 '22

I love Twitter. But you've got to carefully curate who you follow. And unfollow people who don't bring you joy.

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u/Kyouji May 06 '22

I think it’s what you make of it

This is true for everything. Every website you don't like its because you made it that way with your preferences or who/what you follow. If you follow negativity that's all you will see.

I know so many people who hate reddit or twitter and I don't know why. I really enjoy both of these websites. Sure, there are terrible elements everywhere but i don't go looking for those.

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u/Paddy_Tanninger May 06 '22

That's generally how I used it too, and yet seemingly if I scroll down far enough I still get utterly bombarded by right wing GOP creatures screeching into the void about their pathetic culture wars.

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u/nsfwonly999 May 06 '22

This and same goes for IG. It’s the popular accounts and news/media type accounts that ruin it. This is good advice.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '22

You get assholes and crazies on all platforms but on twitter it's ridiculous.

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u/robot_swagger May 06 '22

I left twitter before it was cool

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u/bigbambambam May 06 '22

Yeah you’re on Reddit and it’s completely fair and objective right ?

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u/Lito-1 May 06 '22

Be careful of titles and click bait. The mentioned Saudi investor was already a majority Twitter shareholder (2 billion) before the Elon deal came to light. The article says he will be “rolling over” his investment when Twitter is under new leadership which must means he won’t be selling. They know Elon is likely to turn Twitter into a profitable company which will lead to a higher share price so makes sense not to cash out

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u/Illuminaso May 06 '22

Why the fuck is this getting upvoted? I guess that Big Media's hate campaign against free speech, and consequently Elon Musk, is in full gear.

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u/wo_ot May 05 '22

Can I go a day without hearing something about this dipshit

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u/CrazyEddie041 May 06 '22

Yes. That day was May 2nd from 8:32pm to May 3rd 8:32pm, when everyone was talking about the Supreme Court instead.

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u/spaceherpe61 May 06 '22

I hate that these obvious biased piece take all the nuances out of the situation, like who is on the board now? Or how no one will actually have a civil debate over anything, it just fear mongering, tribal bs

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u/Millennialdegenerate May 06 '22

Why fix something that works

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u/ComprehensiveCow4760 May 06 '22

The Elon piling on these days is something else man. I get it billionaires suck yadda yadda but this is exhausting honestly. No one cared when a Saudi prince was a majority shareholder

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u/VSEPR_DREIDEL May 06 '22

Don’t almost all companies do business in China? You can hate the guy all you want but don’t be a hypocrite.

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u/Swampberry May 06 '22

TikTok is privately owned from Beijing and nobody bats an eye at that. It's got more than twice the users of Twitter, and implicitly twice the influence.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/272014/global-social-networks-ranked-by-number-of-users/

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u/FuIlmetaIJack May 06 '22

We buy countless goods and send millions of dollars to country’s that surprise free speech too

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u/NaveTheFirst May 06 '22

There is no such thing as free speech.

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u/gingesaurusrex May 06 '22

“I cherish free speech with all my heart. I don’t care how many men, women and children’s right to free speech I need to destroy to get it”

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u/Dire87 May 06 '22

And the "free world" is substituting "bad" Russian gas and oil with "suddenly good" gas and oil from Qatar, Saudi-Arabia, US fracking gas, etc.

And yet, the world keeps on turning, no matter what the hypocrites do or say.

By the way: Show me a country that has not suppressed free speech in the last few years/decades whenever it suits them...

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u/Efficient-Road-847 May 06 '22

I'm sick of this free speech bullshit. Twitter isn't the government, it's just a dying social media app.

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u/_nibelungs May 06 '22

If Elon vowed to make twitter focused on freedom speech, why does it matter where the money comes from?

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u/FreshlyWritten69 May 06 '22

Saudi Arabia already owns part of Twitter, so it’s not like this is new.

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u/cosmicspacebees May 06 '22

So no change?

Saudi Arabia was an investor and is retaining its stake in the company

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u/mcmasters2223 May 06 '22

We are living in the time of Con men, and Conservatives are drinking the snake oil by the gallon.

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u/Educational_Way_1209 May 06 '22

Who gives a fuck about Elon musk and twatter. There are obviously more pressing issues that deserve the light of day right now.

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u/Comprehensive_Bad650 May 06 '22

HALF his cars are made & sold in China. China has him by the balls. Now Qatar is helping him buy Twitter. This sh*t is getting more ridiculous by the day. What next, Putin sends him a truck load of cash to have a stake in Twitter? Disappointing

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u/AnonymousPlzz May 06 '22 edited May 06 '22

Isn't a Saudi Prince currently on Twitter's board?

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u/Ohmylordyjesus May 06 '22

Lol It’s hilarious how much Reddit and Technology hate Musk.

He lives in their brains rent free just like Trump. Makes me love them more.

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u/bikebrooklynn May 06 '22

Musk is a transphobic POS conservative. No wonder Grimes left him.

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u/Upvoter_NeverDie May 06 '22

What use is free speech if news websites are only going to lie and publish disinformation?

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u/cummingj69 May 06 '22

It seems a little late and hypocritical to be complaining about Musk and where he gets his money. If you are a multi millionaire or billionaire chances are you made a lot of your money from China or other countries that suppress speech. Heck, countries in Europe have restrictions on speech.

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u/Moriteourious May 06 '22

USA for example.

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u/AccountantOk7335 May 06 '22

Well duhhh why would he spend his own money??

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u/SpicyWings_96 May 06 '22

If you think America doesn't suppress Free Speech you're as gullible as they come.

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u/vacuumoftalent May 06 '22

Pretty funny seeing Reddit go from circle jerking over elon 5 years ago to now adamantly hating him. Guess he got on the wrong side of the hive mind at some point.

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u/Lauris024 May 06 '22

So when Saudis were already a large shareholder while twitter was not owned by Musk, it was all fine, but suddenly it's an issue? Also, buzzfeed on /r/technology? Also, qatar holding is a private company and they gave 100 million, that's 0.2%. Y'all are religious about hating on Musk and the disinformation I read on comments is mind-blowing. Most of them already own a part of twitter. Why don't you post news that say that this whole thing will grant tesla and spacex 5billion + 5 billion, which US citizens should be happy about?

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u/Demetrius3D May 06 '22

I'm going to protest this by continuing to never use Twitter. That'll show him.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '22

Delete twitter, for fucks sake

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u/bellevegasj May 05 '22

Isn't this progress? He got the American tax payer for 5B for Tesla and another 5B for SpaceX. Time the rest of the planet kicks in to this welfare queen.

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