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[OC] New flag for our police

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u/ForgotToDieYoung May 27 '22

The major news sites are all now confirming that about half of the dead were shot during the period that up to twenty officers were congregated in the hallway.

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u/twurkle May 27 '22

And yet at the news conference the guy said the commanding officer believed it was no longer an active shooter situation and that there were no kids inside to be saved.

I’m beginning to think that might be another lie.

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u/OderusInYourButtus May 28 '22

They had a girl in the classroom calling 911. 911 was definitely relaying info to those on-site. Just lies trying to cover their pathetic asses.

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u/Jizzapherina May 28 '22

Yes. He just thought all of the kids had already died. So there was not an "active" shooter anymore. He was wrong.

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u/twurkle May 28 '22

I don’t know how your first thought, even if every child had been shot, wasn’t “we need to get medics in here to save as many kids as possible.”

No, he just concluded they were all dead and could not be saved and didn’t even try. Horrific.

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u/ford310nm1 May 28 '22

Seriously What the F$&@ type a person says that?

“Sir do we go in?”

“Nah, Jim let him tire himself out with all that shooting”

“What about the children? He might hurt them”

“Nah there are no children. Even though we are in a school on a Tuesday, middle of the day. Yep, we’re gonna go with no kids in there. And if there are kids in there he probably killed them already”

I felt like this asshole was one sentence away from blaming the children for being in school at the wrong place at the wrong time. deep sigh

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u/thisismySFWprofile May 27 '22

How the fuck you can be a cop, outside a door that has a room full of fucking 10 year olds, hear shots, and honestly, you don't all burst in is fucking baffling to me!!

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u/TwoForHawat May 27 '22 Gold Helpful Wholesome Take My Energy Starry

Easy. All you have to do is be the sort of person who is so easily frightened and loses their cool so quickly that you might kick down the wrong door and enter with guns blazing, or shoot up a 12 year-old who is holding a toy, or dig your knee into the back of a tall dark-skinned man because you can’t predict what a man with a counterfeit ten dollar bill might be capable of if he gets loose.

If you’re cowardly enough to do all of the above, you can’t possibly be expected to go help out some 4th graders when someone has a real weapon. That can be handled by someone way braver than you, like an elementary school teacher.

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u/Weltallgaia May 28 '22

A lot of school bullies I knew became cops just so that they could keep bullying people. I would guess there is nothing a school bully fears more than a school shooter, so of course those cops would be scared to go in.

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u/lostcauz707 May 28 '22

It's all about power. It's such a waste of fucking money. 40% of the budget for this town went to these people, armed to the teeth, like the conservatives always demand, and they beyond failed. Stop putting money into these people and start putting it into the people that matter.

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u/Present-Still May 27 '22

Elementary teachers deal with a ridiculous amount of shit at one time, cops should take a lesson

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u/RelevantSons May 28 '22

ALL teachers do. Regardless of grade level.

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u/Monjipour May 27 '22

I feel like a lot of problems in the US would be solved or reduced by adding some screening and training for police

But what do I know, I'm just lucky to live somewhere where a domestic abuser isn't given a gun, police or not

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u/Johnkneesins May 27 '22 'MURICA

Locked door during no knock warrant WHABAMMM locked door during active shooter situation, uhhhh guys i thing this might be too much for us

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u/MidnightAshley May 27 '22 Wholesome

A handful of police broke down a door and shot and killed a guy waking up on a couch within 10 seconds earlier this year in Minneapolis. He wasn't even on the warrant! Apparently he was more dangerous and needed a quicker response than a guy actively out there shooting and killing elementary school kids.

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u/otakubooo May 28 '22

Bunch of pussies who shouldnt have badges anymore

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u/asilentspeaker May 28 '22

Fucking Breonna Taylor....went to the wrong house, guy wasn't even there, no narcotics there at all, shot her to death, wounded the boyfriend all within ten seconds.

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u/Altruistic_Astronaut May 28 '22

It's almost as if police officers are just trained to shoot whoever they think won't fight back.

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u/sayyyywhat May 27 '22

So it seems the directive was to let this shooter do what he wanted, bank on him killing himself, and only then go in to do a body count. There was nothing done to stop the shooter while he was active. They let him finish.

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u/smokecat20 May 27 '22

They should've ordered a Burger King hamburger for him.

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u/ForgotToDieYoung May 27 '22

If you're not ready to die in the line of duty, there are plenty of other jobs...

Reports are now confirming about half of the dead were shot while up to twenty officers milled about in the hallway.

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u/JoeFleen May 28 '22

I thought the whole lesson learned was storm the fucking place and kill the guy. Certainly after Parkland when that timid sheriff idled away. What the fuck? It’s a fucking school

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u/MakeshiftCandles May 27 '22

Non-american here, can someone please explain?

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u/Hodgej1 May 27 '22 Helpful

Being called “yellow” is slang for being a coward. I think it originates from old American Western shows.

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u/mine_username May 27 '22 Silver Helpful Wholesome Seal of Approval

And here I thought it was insinuating they pissed their pants from fear. 😂

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

Might’ve come from that tbh

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u/DarkRaven01 May 27 '22

It comes from "yellow bellied" : here's what else I found from quick search: https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/yellow-belly.html

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u/PullUpAPew May 27 '22 Helpful Take My Energy LOVE! Helpful (Pro)

They're calling the police yellow (cowards) for hesitating in their response to a recent school shooting. I believe that flag usually has a blue line to represent the police.

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u/MeatballUnited May 27 '22 Take My Energy

Hesitating!!?? They sat outside while children were being murdered for 40 minutes!! But they were tough enough to keep parents out.

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u/riskytisk May 27 '22 edited May 28 '22 All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy Narwhal Salute

It was even longer than 40 mins— I’ve been hearing now that it was at least an hour (edit: 91 mins!!!) I cannot fucking fathom being one of those parents outside listening as shot after shot rang out, watching as the police did absolutely NOTHING, and being completely helpless as they would not even let the parents go inside to help their children. I have to imagine in my panic I would be trying to find any fucking way into that school to try get to my kids, no matter the consequence. Fuck those bastards!

Also. Those fucking uniformed cowards got THEIR OWN KIDS out but wouldn’t let any other parents do the same. They deserve to be thrown in prison for the rest of their lives for allowing 19 babies to be massacred. Ugh. Sorry, I don’t want it to seem like I am yelling at you, but I’m not fucking sorry about being so impassioned about this absolute tragedy. I’m so fucking angry.

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u/anakin6800 May 27 '22 Silver

They took 91 minutes, from the time they arrived, to neutralize him

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u/KingTalis May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

They only neutralized him then because a Border Patrol Officer drove 40 miles and handled it.

Edit: *Off Duty Border Patrol Officer

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u/IndigoJoe64 May 27 '22

In other words, they never handled it. Somebody else did.

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u/starshinessss May 27 '22

The border patrol officer was eating lunch in a diner and wasn’t even ON DUTY. He went in and killed him, he’s the only hero here. Almost took a bullet to the head too

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u/riskytisk May 27 '22 All-Seeing Upvote Narwhal Salute

Fuck dude. Every time I hear new news about it, it’s longer and longer. Those officers are so disgusting and pathetic! If you don’t give a single shit about even children being murdered right in front of you, why the HELL are you a police officer?! They could’ve stopped the shooter before he even killed one of those babies, yet they sat around twiddling their fucking thumbs as 19 little kids and 2 teachers were massacred. Fuck the police.

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u/Heyo__Maggots May 27 '22

Supposedly some ran in to try and get their own kids. Also it’s coming out the dude didn’t have an actual bulletproof vest on, just a regular tacticool one to hold shit. Total failure of the good guy with a gun fallacy cause we had FIVE good guys with guns there and it didn’t help.

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u/WholesomeWhores May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22 Doom

It’s not supposedly, it did actually happen. Some cop admitted in an interview that there were several cops that went in to get their own kids to safety while ignoring everyone else. I just wanted to clarify that

Edit: source i should have posted it when I made the post, sorry

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u/RS7JR May 27 '22

There's also a story going around that a lady was cuffed because she attempted to go in and save her kids. Once they uncuffed her, she jumped a fence, went in through another open door, sprinted out with her kids to safety.

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u/LordFantastic May 27 '22

It's reported that not only did she get her kids, she also grabbed some extra kids on the way out!! She did more than the police!!!

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u/Potential_Instance66 May 27 '22

So she should be considered a hero here. The police are showing one thing. That the police in Texas have the courage of a mouse.

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u/MichaelKilo May 27 '22

DONT MESS WITH TEXAS….because we will let you…

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u/graphitesun May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

Let's repeat that.

It was too dangerous to go in.

BUT they went in to save their OWN KIDS. Not too dangerous for that?

But they (allegedly) threatened to tase parents who were desperate and tried to go in to save their own kids, AFTER police did NOTHING.

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u/scrappybasket May 27 '22

They also tased at least one parent and another parent got arrested by marshals. Police are a fucking joke at best

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u/Friendofabook May 27 '22

The messed up part about that is not just that they ignored other's kids, it's that they did this while not letting other parents go in and do the same.

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u/srdkrtrpr May 27 '22

Agreed. It’s one thing to be too terrified to act, but as a parent of 4 kids in school, I find it un-fucking-conscionable that they actively kept parents from rescuing their own kids. Special place in hell etc applies. Some laws supersede legal authority. Keeping a parent from going to their kids is unforgivable, I don’t care what the voice on your radio says, there’s just some lines you don’t cross. ‘Don’t mess with Texas’ has been turned into a horrifically sad joke for at least a century, just as the bravery of past generations created the phrase in the first place. Those poor children, mothers, fathers, daughters and sons.

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u/DoggyTheAnarchist May 27 '22

I would not call those guys good.

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u/EmeraldRalts May 27 '22

Oh, I thought it was yellow because they were pissing their pants in fear.

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u/thenewyorkgod May 27 '22

Let's include Abbott in that category who had the disgusting gall to say at the press conference that "it could have been much worse if not for the bravery of our boys in blue who went into danger to rescue the kids" FUCK HIM

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

Yes, waded into a crowd of terrified parents with tasers at the ready to prevent any chance of rescue, how brave of them to risk their lives protecting the armed gunman. Greg Abbott is such a joke.

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u/Biggus_Dickkus_ May 27 '22

Correct. Also, it leaves the door open for pee jokes.

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u/Mudron May 27 '22 All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy

I can’t believe they had the balls to call themselves a SWAT team.

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u/10-4-man May 27 '22

they were out there swatting flies and mosquitoes

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u/Khaldara May 27 '22 Gold Platinum Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote This

So

Where

Are

They?

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u/10-4-man May 27 '22 Evil Cackle

Still
Waiting
And
Tazing

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u/y2julio May 27 '22 Silver Helpful Wholesome

Sorry We Aren't Trained

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u/10-4-man May 27 '22

Sorry We Are Terrified

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u/BurnChao May 27 '22 Silver Wholesome

Sit, Wait, Act Tough

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u/SkyLightTenki May 27 '22

Shitty Waste of American Taxes

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u/owen_h_28 May 27 '22

Sorry, We Aren't Trying

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u/real_nice_guy May 27 '22

this thread is just hit after hit

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u/BeefStrykker May 27 '22

So What? A Terrorist?

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u/ilovehellokitty666 May 27 '22

Serve Without Actual Training

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u/Bgwin85 May 27 '22

Sorry We Ain't There

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u/Skynetiskumming May 27 '22

Spineless When Actually Threatened

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u/pHScale May 27 '22

Someone

With

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u/absynthe7 May 27 '22 Take My Energy

That town needs to dissolve their SWAT team ASAP.

The whole reason having a unit like that is in any way justified is so that they can be used in situations like this. In reality, they refused to do anything other than the things regular uniformed cops were doing.

Since it's now clear they will only use those weapons to terrorize the unarmed, they don't get to have those weapons. Period. And LEOs who fight this must be removed and blacklisted from law enforcement forever.

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u/-ImYourHuckleberry- May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

That town needs to dissolve its pd and start from scratch. Hire some of those parents who actually had a plan/some balls.

I wouldn’t trust any member on that current police force…

In fact, I’d leave the county to avoid paying taxes that support that department.

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u/Paladoc May 27 '22

“The police were doing nothing,” Angeli Rose Gomez told The Wall Street Journal. “They were just standing outside the fence. They weren’t going in there or running anywhere.”Ms Gomez has two children in second and third grade and had reportedly driven 40 miles to the school after hearing of the attack.

After pleading with officers, she claims she was placed in handcuffs and told she was under arrest for intervening in an active investigation.

Videos show desperate parents asking officers to intervene in Uvalde school shooting

Ms Gomez says she was later able to jump the school fence and rescue her children herself after she convinced an officer she knew to get the marshall to free her.

Police deny that anyone was put in handcuffs outside the school. Ms Gomez also claimed one parent was pepper-sprayed by officers, though this has not been confirmed.

Angel Garza, whose daughter was killed, claims he also handcuffed after trying to run into the school having heard a “girl called Amerie” had been shot.

Angel Garza was emotional telling his ordeal to news broadcasters

A girl he spoke to explained she wasn’t hurt and the blood was from her best friend “Amerie”. It was then that Angel realized the blood he was looking at came from his own daughter. Mr Garza told the heartbreaking story to CNN’sAnderson Cooper.

Another parent, Javier Cazares, whose fourth-grade daughter Jacklyn Cazares was killed in the attack, also accused the police of not doing enough.

“Let’s just rush in because the cops aren’t doing anything like they are supposed to,” he said. “More could have been done. They were unprepared.”

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u/Forbidden_Donut503 May 27 '22

They WERE prepared though. That’s the whole fucking point of all that navy seal wannabe gear they flaunt at every photo opportunity. They had helmets and assault rifles and vests, and all kinds of other shit. What’s the point of getting all dressed up if you don’t go to the dance?

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u/TheOmarSuarez May 28 '22

The moment they started going on camera and the first thing out of their mouths was “like the thank the brave first responders” instead of acknowledging the victims and overall scene was a HUGE RED FLAG. I was like “no one cares about that right now, are the kids safe? How many are dead? Is the shooter still active”. Turns out they were trying to hide shit from the very beginning.

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u/Slapinsack May 28 '22 This

I saw a tweet from their swat page from 2020 that explained they had done training at that exact school.

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u/ObsurdBoundries May 27 '22

The messed up thing was that even the "normal" police were OVER PREPARED. They had better weapons, they had better training, but they had no brains, and no courage. Some people become police to help, these cowards came only for the blue line cock sucking.

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u/amibeingadick420 May 28 '22

This isn’t just some coward cops. Police culture is all about cowardice. And literally, the only thing they’ve been trained to do when they’re scared is draw their gun and shoot. They literally can’t do anything else. In this case, they couldn’t even open a fucking door, so they stayed in the hallway, paralyzed in fear.

https://unicornriot.ninja/2018/bulletproof-warrior-training-manual-released/

LTC Dave Grossman teaches cops that they can be killed at any moment, and they should always be scared. That’s why cops are all cowards.

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u/patterninstatic May 27 '22

If your average police officer isn't capable of confronting an active shooter that's fine, but in that case they don't need tactical gear and weapons.

Seeing the officers in full tactical gear outside the school doing nothing was ridiculous.

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u/take7pieces May 27 '22

Parents were willing to run inside the school, be the human shield for kids, while a fully equipped police standing there doing nothing. So fucking wrong.

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u/fuzzylilbunnies May 27 '22

Oh, they weren’t doing nothing. They were actively assaulting terrified parents. They were yelling for kids inside to yell for help, which served to help the shooter find and shoot the children. They went in and rescued their OWN kids. They weren’t just “doing nothing”.

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u/berubem May 28 '22

You're right. Doing nothing wouldn't have been as bad as what they actually ended up doing.

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u/Sirlancemehlot May 27 '22

The average officer IS trained and equipped to enter an active shooter situation and most of the country considers immediate entry as Standard Operating Procedure. That's what makes this more egregious. Even other cops are freaking out and condemning the Uvalde Police response (The decision to wait for SWAT was WRONG, but came from School District Chief Pete Arredondo--who needs to resign or be fired).

A former Massachusetts SRO:

'Waiting an hour is disgusting. If that turns out to be true, then it is a disgusting fact,' Sean Burke, a retired school resource officer from Massachusetts who now is the president of the School Safety Advocacy Council, told NBC. "

Police Instructor:

'But the expectation is that if someone is about to harm someone, especially children, you’ve got to take immediate action to make that stop,' Don Alwes, an ex-instructor for the National Tactical Officers Association, added.

So even the Police are befuddled and disgusted by the Uvalde PD (Or their brass who made the decisions to stand down). Shameful actions embarrassing to to all law enforcement across the board.

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u/QuiramJudaculla May 27 '22

School District Chief Pete Arredondo--who needs to resign or be fired

Prosecuted, not fired.

Unless you meant fired out of a Howitzer, then maybe OK.

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u/Humble-Inflation-964 May 27 '22

For real, former Marine here. You need bureaucratic Fobbits to run things in the rear, but you arm them with a radio and some pens (or crayons, whatever), not 249's and full sapi's. If you just gonna observe, go ahead and report too.

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u/SemperScrotus May 27 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Starry Wholesome Seal of Approval

THESE COLORS DON'T RUN

...into schools to save dying children

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u/inconvenientnews May 27 '22 edited May 28 '22 Silver Gold Platinum Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy Starry Ally This Bravo Grande! Helpful (Pro) Lawyer Up Dread Brighten My Day

For me, it's what these PublicFreakout comments pointed out:

Idk why but the cowboy hats somehow make it worse

Well, cowards LARPing as Old West gunslingers are pretty fucking cringe.

This is it for me man. All that Texas shit talk they always do and these pussies wouldn’t even go in, except for their own kids.

They always say “don’t mess with Texas” as if anyone should be frightened of a bunch of diabetic hillbillies whose favorite pastimes include freezing to death and getting covid.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/uyn0a5/uvalde_police_lying_to_public_painting_themselves/ia5m9f2/

Of course it's much worse than that

The latest of what Texas police officials are now admitting is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/uyhmsh/uinconvenientnews_discusses_the_uvalde_police/ia99rsa/

Previously:

A mom of two children at Uvalde was put in handcuffs after urging police and law enforcement to enter the school.

Once freed from her cuffs, she jumped the school fence, ran inside and sprinted out with her kids.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/uvalde-residents-voice-frustration-over-shooting-response-11653588161

Cops stood outside the school while the killer rampaged inside.

Onlookers yelled at them to go in. They didn’t.

"One parent urged bystanders: “Let’s just rush in because the cops aren’t doing anything like they are supposed to.”

https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683

"that parent’s daughter died in the attack while he was begging cops to save the kids."

My God.

https://twitter.com/AndySpecht/status/1529643462953521153

additional kid died directly because the cops were incompetent. “When the cops came, the cop said: 'Yell if you need help!' And one of the persons in my class said 'help.'

The [shooter] overheard and he came in and shot her," the boy said.

https://www.kens5.com/article/news/special-reports/uvalde-school-shooting/its-time-to-die-fourth-grade-survivor-uvalde-shooting-recalls-what-gunman-told-student/273-51cc4e26-7a0a-49c0-ba7a-48cdd47fa235 https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1529708434995683329

"Cops will only do their job when the public stops criticizing them for murdering unarmed people."

@JackPosobiec I'm not defending the actions of the officers. But we've demonized law enforcement to the point that there are far fewer rewards for being a hero

https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1529835589847027712

Uvalde is a town of just 16,000 people. But it apparently has a SWAT team.

We’re regularly told small towns need SWAT teams so they can quickly respond to events just like this. The killer was in the building for an hour.

Photo op of SWAT team: https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1529679652154920960

The school district for Robb Elementary has its own police department with 5 cops and 1 security guard. The city of Uvalde's police department recieved just under 40% of the entire city's budget for the year and got a 500k grant from the state. Neither stopped today's massacre.

https://twitter.com/NeeNeinNyetNo/status/1529220708601151491

More kids have died from going to school than cops have from going to work

https://twitter.com/JP_1U/status/1529213380044668928

cops whine and bitch about risking their lives to defend people, and when a shooter shows up in what looks like (but isn't) body armor, they run & hide while a massacre unfolds. an unarmed teacher was brave enough to try.

https://twitter.com/revrrlewis/status/1529454699275075584

There’s a common mythology in law enforcement, pushed by quack groups like the Force Science Institute, that police ofticers’ memories improve over time. It contradicts all the scientific research and, oddly, apparently does not apply to non-police.

https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1529946586058571794

Police lied about the timeline.

They lied about shooter having body armor.

They lied about him being barricaded.

They lied about border patrol on-scene.

They went in and got their own kids.

The armed resource officer failed.

Local PD/DPS/tactical PD waited for SWAT.

https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1529819943608496128

Now the police are investigating themselves to tell us whether letting the school shooter in for an hour while keeping parents from saving their own children’s lives was a policy violation.

https://twitter.com/samswey/status/1529863659677048836

One of the greatest culture shocks when I arrived in the U.S. was the blind veneration of police. After years and years of living here and reading about this country, I now realize that it's the structural pillar of white supremacy.

https://twitter.com/EmilKerenji/status/1529789802551427073

This is a much bigger problem in America than we realize because Republicans use "thank our heroes" conservative culture wars "guns and gays" politics and "control the narrative" tactics, the police department control of local news dependent for access, the camera footage evidence (getting caught deleting camera footage again or released after 3 years or released immediately if it helps police), the "law and order" politicians, the arrests ("black and white Americans use cannabis at similar levels" but black Americans are 800% more likely to get punished for it and even after legalization), the statistics themselves (see how the police stop better crime statistics "FBI may shut down police use-of-force database due to lack of police participation or how they block their own domestic violence research showing "400% higher in the law-enforcement community")

More examples from r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut:

Even though LA is one of the safest cities in America (chart of national crime data): 67 full-time police employees just to push negative talking points on Fox News about a city they don't even live in but "serve"

The LAPD and LA Sheriff together have 67 full-time employees working on PR and propaganda. People don't realize that they spend a lot of money and time to plant these stories:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-30/police-public-relations https://twitter.com/equalityAlec/status/1470790952558243848 https://twitter.com/equalityAlec/status/1484966547244433416

More Texas police abuse: https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/uqupiz/you_dont_need_to_be_human_to_have_a_sense_of_mercy/i8txcza/

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u/inconvenientnews May 27 '22 edited May 28 '22 Silver Gold Platinum Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy Starry This Bravo Grande! Rocket Like

Their latest "thank our heroes" conservative culture war strategy is to "push the narrative" that "blue states" are the dangerous ones and Texas and Florida are "free states"

"Pushing the narrative" ("San Francisco crime") despite the facts:

Fort Worth, Texas, has the same population as San Francisco and has 1.5x as many murders. Again, a Republican mayor and Republican governor. Nobody ever writes about those places!

San Francisco has the same population as Jacksonville, Florida. Jacksonville, with a Republican mayor and a Republican governor, has had more than three times as many murders this year as San Francisco

If data disinfects, here’s a bucket of bleach:

"Texans are 17% more likely to be murdered than Californians."

"Texans are also 34% more likely to be raped and 25% more likely to kill themselves than Californians."

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/suicide-mortality/suicide.htm

Californians on average live two years, four months and 24 days longer than Texans.

Compared with families in California, those in Texas earn 13% less and pay 3.8 percentage points more in taxes.

Sadly, the uncritical aping of this erroneous economic narrative reflects not only reporters’ gullibility but also their utility for conservative ideologues and corporate lobbyists, who score political points and regulatory concessions by spreading a spurious story line about California’s decline.

Don’t expect facts to change this. Reporters need a plot twist, and conservatives need California to lose. https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/op-ed/article258940938.html

"Republican-controlled states have higher murder rates than Democratic ones"

  • “In Republican states, states with Republican governors, crime rates tend to be higher”

  • Murder rates in the 25 states Trump carried in 2020 are 40% higher overall than in the states Biden won.

  • ⁠Criminologists say research shows higher rates of violent crime are found in areas that have low average education levels, high rates of poverty and relatively modest access to government assistance. Those conditions characterize [American South with Republican run states].

https://news.yahoo.com/republican-controlled-states-have-higher-murder-rates-than-democratic-ones-study-212137750.html

"Gun deaths dropped in California as they rose in Texas: Gun control seems to work"

https://www.latimes.com/politics/newsletter/2022-05-27/on-guns-fear-of-futility-deters-action-essential-politics

“Pro-life” blue states and "high tax" red states:

Lower taxes in California than red states like Texas, which make up for no wealth income tax with higher taxes and fees on the poor and double property tax for the middle class

Income Bracket Texas Tax Rate California Tax Rate
0-20% 13% 10.5%
20-40% 10.9% 9.4%
40-60% 9.7% 8.3%
60-80% 8.6% 9.0%
80-95% 7.4% 9.4%
95-99% 5.4% 9.9%
99-100% 3.1% 12.4%

Sources: https://itep.org/whopays/

Graph: https://www.reddit.com/r/texas/comments/uowum8/what_low_taxes_really_mean_to_the_right/

Meanwhile, the California-hating South receives subsidies from California (larger than between Germany and Greece!), a transfer of wealth from blue states/cities/urban to red states/rural/suburban with federal dollars for their freeways, hospitals, universities, airports, even environmental protection:

Least Federally Dependent States:

41 California

42 Washington

43 Minnesota

44 Massachusetts

45 Illinois

46 Utah

47 Iowa

48 Delaware

49 New Jersey

50 Kansas https://www.npr.org/2017/10/25/560040131/as-trump-proposes-tax-cuts-kansas-deals-with-aftermath-of-experiment

https://www.apnews.com/amp/2f83c72de1bd440d92cdbc0d3b6bc08c

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700

The Germans call this sort of thing "a permanent bailout." We just call it "Missouri."

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/05/the-difference-between-the-us-and-europe-in-1-graph/256857/

Liberal policies, like California’s, keep blue-state residents living longer

It generated headlines in 2015 when the average life expectancy in the U.S. began to fall after decades of meager or no growth.

But it didn’t have to be that way, a team of researchers suggests in a new, peer-reviewed study Tuesday. And, in fact, states like California, which have implemented a broad slate of liberal policies, have kept pace with their Western European counterparts.

The study, co-authored by researchers at six North American universities, found that if all 50 states had all followed the lead of California and other liberal-leaning states on policies ranging from labor, immigration and civil rights to tobacco, gun control and the environment, it could have added between two and three years to the average American life expectancy.

Simply shifting from the most conservative labor laws to the most liberal ones, Montez said, would by itself increase the life expectancy in a state by a whole year.

If every state implemented the most liberal policies in all 16 areas, researchers said, the average American woman would live 2.8 years longer, while the average American man would add 2.1 years to his life. Whereas, if every state were to move to the most conservative end of the spectrum, it would decrease Americans’ average life expectancies by two years. On the country’s current policy trajectory, researchers estimate the U.S. will add about 0.4 years to its average life expectancy.

Liberal policies on the environment (emissions standards, limits on greenhouse gases, solar tax credit, endangered species laws), labor (high minimum wage, paid leave, no “right to work”), access to health care (expansion of Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act, legal abortion), tobacco (indoor smoking bans, cigarette taxes), gun control (assault weapons ban, background check and registration requirements) and civil rights (ratification of the Equal Rights Amendment, equal pay laws, bans on discrimination and the death penalty) all resulted in better health outcomes, according to the study. For example, researchers found positive correlation between California’s car emission standards and its high minimum wage, to name a couple, with its longer lifespan, which at an average of 81.3 years, is among the highest in the country.

“When we’re looking for explanations, we need to be looking back historically, to see what are the roots of these troubles that have just been percolating now for 40 years,” Montez said.

Montez and her team saw the alarming numbers in 2015 and wanted to understand the root cause. What they found dated back to the 1980s, when state policies began to splinter down partisan lines. They examined 135 different policies, spanning over a dozen different fields, enacted by states between 1970 and 2014, and assigned states “liberalism” scores from zero — the most conservative — to one, the most liberal. When they compared it against state mortality data from the same timespan, the correlation was undeniable.

“We can take away from the study that state policies and state politics have damaged U.S. life expectancy since the ’80s,” said Jennifer Karas Montez, a Syracuse University sociologist and the study’s lead author. “Some policies are going in a direction that extend life expectancy. Some are going in a direction that shorten it. But on the whole, that the net result is that it’s damaging U.S. life expectancy.”

U.S. should follow California’s lead to improve its health outcomes, researchers say

Meanwhile, the life expectancy in states like California and Hawaii, which has the highest in the nation at 81.6 years, is on par with countries described by researchers as “world leaders:” Canada, Iceland and Sweden.

From 1970 to 2014, California transformed into the most liberal state in the country by the 135 policy markers studied by the researchers. It’s followed closely by Connecticut, which moved the furthest leftward from where it was 50 years ago, and a cluster of other states in the northeastern U.S., then Oregon and Washington.

West Virginia ranked last in 2017, with an average life expectancy of about 74.6 years, which would put it 93rd in the world, right between Lithuania and Mauritius, and behind Honduras, Morocco, Tunisia and Vietnam. Mississippi, Oklahoma and South Carolina rank only slightly better.

It’s those states that moved in a conservative direction, researchers concluded, that held back the overall life expectancy in the U.S.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/08/04/liberal-policies-like-californias-keep-blue-state-residents-living-longer-study-finds/

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u/Boatymcboatface3 May 27 '22 Gold

Damn… did your homework. The public defender story hit me for reasons… holy shit do I have stories.

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u/invisiblefireball May 27 '22

With this, your police establish themselves as enemies of the people.

It cannot be any other way. They stood in the way of parents trying to save their children, refusing to help, even actively hindering.

Theirs is the exercise of power for themselves and for its own sake. Their refusal to step in is dereliction of duty. And if the police no longer think it is their duty to stop the murder of children, then the institution needs to be dismantled and replaced.

Either they no longer hire the sort of person who would step in to stop this, or those people are prevented by the rules of their bosses. Either is indicative of the need for restructuring. As though there weren't an infinitude of signs already.

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u/HuggLyfe May 27 '22

Don't forget that the supreme court gave cops free reign to literally do nothing with their amazing ruling that cops are under no obligation to actually perform their jobs at any time.

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u/Roger-the-Zombie May 27 '22

Good summary, thanks for posting

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u/little_blue_penguin May 27 '22

This color does run, straight down their legs into a little puddle

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u/TheoloniusKrunk May 27 '22

THESE COLORS RUN DOWN OUR LEGS

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u/StuartGotz May 27 '22

THESE COLORS SIT AND WAIT FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO DO IT.

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u/Newfottawa9 May 27 '22

Fucking coward scumbags. Stood outside doing NOTHING, too scared to go in while innocent children were being murdered. Yet they had time to arrest and push terrified parents to the ground.

Oh, and how about those cops that went inside to get their own kids and didn't bother to save any other kids. Fuck them, their bosses, and anyone who supports them.

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u/madmosche May 27 '22

Texas cops response to active shooter:

I tell ya what I'm gonna give you, Snakes. I'm gonna give you to the count of ten (40 minutes), to get your ugly, yella, no-good keister off my property, before I pump your guts full of lead!

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u/Only_Quote_Simpsons May 27 '22

Allright Jonny I'm sorry

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u/ReverendPalpatine May 27 '22

1… 2… 40 minutes.

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u/NinjasOfOrca May 27 '22

I know I heard that name Snakes before

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u/albot225 May 27 '22

And to think of all the money they spend to take “Warrior Mindset” training. If only they were as good at saving lives as they are at racking up overtime hours…

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u/timberwolf0122 May 27 '22

Warrior mindset = shooting unarmed minorities

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u/JohnnyFootballHero May 27 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Starry This Giggle 'MURICA

Blue Lives Scatter

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u/Glowingredremote May 27 '22 edited May 28 '22 Silver Helpful Bravo!

Just mocked this up quick

Edit: I was gonna use the yellow line, but the blue one makes more sense with the Blue Lives reference.

Edit: Why not both?

Edit: Whoooo thanks for all the awards and love. Now go forth and meme.

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u/Nocookedbone May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Reading the transcript of this new conference makes me want to vomit! I am thoroughly disgusted and physically sickened!

At 11:28 am, a police officer responding to the call "inadvertently drove right by the suspect.” Oh yea? Really?

For over 78 minutes, the police officers made "no effort" to breach the classroom door. Seriously?! You can shoot a child carrying a toy gun in a public park in under 10 seconds after you arrive on scene, but you're going to wait around for 78 minutes in this case??

At 12:50 pm, The tactical team was able to enter using keys from a janitor.

Edit: On asked what he would say to the parents, he responded "“If I thought it would help, I would apologize.”

FUCK. YOU. Fuck all of you! You and your fat, sloppy mayor can all go straight to hell!

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u/Cee-Note May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

Actually, the refusal to apologize is pretty helpful. It let's us be sure that they have no interest in doing better in the future.

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u/Crux1836 May 27 '22

Guarantee you the police union attorneys have advised them not to apologize.

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u/whitefokes May 27 '22

Do they need keys from a janitor with no knock warrants?

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u/muroks1200 May 27 '22

You can get splinters knocking down doors.

And splinters hurt.

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u/Future_World_Ruler May 27 '22

Can’t let a cop get a boo boo! The kids can die instead!

/s obvs

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u/kdrisck May 27 '22

The 11:28 one was a school resource officer who was off duty but worked at this school district. He mistook a teacher for the suspect. I actually believe that person of all the cops would have been the one to help if he hadn’t messed up the approach.

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u/ImOnlyHereForTheCoC May 27 '22 This

Given that the initial self-reporting by cops was that the SRO exchanged fire with shooter, I’m kind of expecting an eventual reveal that this teacher was shot at.

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u/firemage22 May 27 '22

And note that tac team was Border Patrol

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u/callmegamgam May 27 '22

New York Times just reported the border patrol tactical team got there and were held back from going in for over 30 minutes. They were also confused why they were called to come when the swat team had equivalent weapons and gear. Embarrassing

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u/jmsturm May 27 '22

Jesus Christ, it keeps getting worse.

Now, not only were they too afraid to go in there, they kept another team from going in? One that was as equally outfitted as the team that refused to go in in the first place?

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u/poet3322 May 27 '22

Don't forget at least one of the kids died in the hospital, not on the scene, so that 30-60 minute delay really mattered.

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u/Indi_mtz May 27 '22

Also, and this is very hard to hear so I'm sorry, they stated in the recent press conference that while they were in the school and waiting for backup/more equipment they could hear "sporadic shots". We can all imagine what those were.

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u/OhNoManBearPig May 27 '22 edited May 28 '22

They also walked in and asked people who needed help to say so before they cleared the building. One girl spoke up and the gunman walked to where she was hiding and murdered her.

Edit: Some people might want to leave the link below blue

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u/CommentsEdited May 27 '22

“Wait, who are you guys? Did they call two SWAT teams?”

“No no, we’re the ones who called you. We’re sure glad you’re here! So the tactical situation — am I saying that right? — the situation we think is there’s an angry person with a big gun. In the school.”

“Back up. I’m still hung up on the last thing. You’re clearly equipped for SWAT operations. I mean that’s literally even the same helmet and vest I have.”

“Yeah, but… now we need someone to actually USE this stuff. Like… against a scary man with a gun.”

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u/callmegamgam May 27 '22

In one of the press conferences a police representative did lament the fact that not every officer had an AR or the necessary training. I expect reporting to be done on their budget mishaps in the coming weeks

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u/hello-mr-cat May 27 '22

Was everyone armed just a blithering idiot there? I'm disgusted.

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u/ScrewAttackThis May 27 '22

You get a lot of military wannabes in the police. They want to play with all the cool toys but they don't have what it takes when it matters.

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u/IceColdTear May 27 '22

The local swat team also did tactical training at the school and knew the classrooms/layout. They had an advantage over border patrol.

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u/averagedickdude May 27 '22 Silver

Even the Paw Patrol would've been a better choice.

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u/commit10 May 27 '22

TIL that American SWAT teams can only breach doors when there are unarmed people.

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u/Strictlyforbargain85 May 27 '22

And when everyone’s asleep

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u/commit10 May 27 '22

And after killing their puppy.

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u/FeelingOkAsSans5068 May 27 '22

can agree

source: im american

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u/commit10 May 27 '22

I forgot a key point: only after they've killed the family's Yorkshire Terrier.

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22 edited 25d ago Silver Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote

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u/Biggus_Dickkus_ May 27 '22

They serve the state. Police are bureaucrats with weapons.

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u/Chalupa_Batm4n May 27 '22 Take My Energy

Defacing the flag of the country you so love to show support for law enforcement is beyond idiotic to me. I do not understand this trend.

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u/SafeAsIceCream May 27 '22

Or overlaying it on a Punisher skull

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u/St_Kevin_ May 27 '22

It’s wild. The “thin blue line” American flag is a violation of the U.S. Flag Code.

It’s nice to point this out to police departments who share this image online by the way.

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u/ThatGuyMarlin May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22 Ally

Remember people, the Supreme Court ruled that the police are not legally obligated to protect civilians as per:

Town of Castle Rock v. Gonzales

and

DeShaney v. Winnebago County

:)

EDIT:
I also wanna include:

Warren v. District of Columbia

and

Lozito v. New York City

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u/MarcusAnalius May 27 '22

Then what in the fuck is the point

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u/Glowingredremote May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

If you have to ask, you don’t make enough to matter.

Edit: “to”

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u/theoutlet May 27 '22

Historically, police exist to protect property. Seriously. That’s why police exist. To protect the property of the wealthy.

If you think about the laws of the land, how they’re enforced, and who gets punished, you’ll see that the police continue to mainly serve this function

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u/WestleyThe May 27 '22

Then what are they good for? Traffic violations and drug charges?

Pathetic

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u/blarffy May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

They are good for protecting the wealthy class's wealth. And for having pseudo military in any town to knock down protests and uprisings, which of course, is an extension of protecting rich people's money.

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u/64557175 May 27 '22

Remember when people were all like "Defund the police!"

And other people were like "That's absurd, we need them to keep us safe!"

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u/jmac50001 May 27 '22

19 cops with guns in a hallway for 30 min.

'idk if we got enough good guys with guns, let's wait for more bro, we go in there we might get shot'

CWL Coward Lives Matter

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u/I-WANT2SEE-CUTE-TITS May 27 '22

Now I understand. If American cops think they're in danger, they shoot others. If they know they're in danger, they hide and avoid confrontation.

Simple stuff really.

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u/colorado_chris May 27 '22

Sounds like the good guys with the guns were willing to use their guns to prevent good guys without guns from doing something.

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u/SHOW_ME_PIZZA May 27 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

I think I finally understand Blue Lives Matter.

Blue Lives Matter more than anyone else.

More than teachers.

More than civilians.

And especially more than innocent children.

I think I understand their reasoning now.

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u/SlackerKey May 27 '22

Call the cops if urine trouble.

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u/in-game_sext May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

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u/hahayeahimfinehaha May 27 '22

The Onion also replaced every single headline on every single article on the front page of their website with the classic “"No Way to Prevent This", Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens” soon after the shooting. The phrase even has its own Wikipedia page at this point (no joke) because it never stopped being relevant.

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u/Biddy_Bear May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

I often watch swat teams taking out trap houses on YouTube.

They time every move down to the exact second over the radio

3 to 4 heavy vans filled to the brim with heavily armed and armoured cops, The often use ladders to secure different floors, they use giant hooks attached to the trucks to pull doorframes and windows off the house.

Then they do the perp walk with the people in cuffs after the raid.

Seems if you're selling drugs in America you can expect a much harsher and swift response than if you were to shoot children dead in their classroom

Edit: reworded

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u/jmsturm May 27 '22

School Shooters don't have piles of cash they get to keep... I mean confiscate

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u/Dingy_Shinji May 27 '22

Imagine having a SWAT team that can’t breach a fucking door. Imagine defending any of these unqualified fucks. There needs to be complete reform, higher standards, and we also need to take a DEEP look at gun restrictions. We’re the only developed country who has this problem.

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u/Zero_Vi_Britania May 27 '22

The most pathetic part is they trained for school situations IN THIS SCHOOL. It is literally as close to a drill as they could have possibly trained for, and they fuck all. Really showing us that SWAT stands for Sit, Wait, Act Tough

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u/AbysmalMoose May 27 '22

Well sure, but they never considered there might be a LOCKED door. You can’t predict that kind of tactical genius from the shooter.

/s

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u/Fapper_McFapper May 27 '22

And the swat team uses up 40% of the municipality’s budget. Fucking useless.

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u/alfi_k May 27 '22

Imagine to be one of those cops or SWAT guys and still living in that small community. Will they ever get served food without spit again? Or even get a table?

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u/5557623 May 27 '22

They can totally breech a door when it's the homes of innocent people and in the middle of the night.

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u/cugameswilliam May 27 '22

As a Former Marine, every single one of these cowards should lose their pay, their benefits and their position. They are clearly unfit for duty and did not take their oath as seriously as they take their paychecks.

If you are going to PrOtEcT aNd SeRvE anyone!? IT’S FUCKING CHILDREN, who cannot defend themselves or protect themselves as a whole let alone from an armed gunman.

What a fucking disgrace. The officers, the state, the leadership. Fuck everyone from top to bottom and back up.

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u/SoapSudsAss May 27 '22

Army vet here. I’ve known logistics officers with more balls than these clowns.

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u/Method007 May 27 '22

19 police officers with 3 ballistic shields stood outside of the classroom the shooter was locked in as he murdered children.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/police-response-texas-massacre-under-scrutiny-details-remain-murky-2022-05-27/

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u/swishswishdish May 27 '22 edited May 31 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy Starry Ally This Helpful (Pro) Photograph of high quality

To those people saying: "well, if you were in the same situation, you would hesitate to take action in fear for your own life!"

I say this: "Of course, I would. That's why I'm not a police officer."

Edit: Thank you for the awards, kind Redditors! To those who have sent me death threats in response to this comment, please know I have reported each of you to Reddit.

Edit: Why are people still sending me death threats over this?

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u/DeaconSage May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

Unless your own kids were in there. Didn’t stop the cops from getting their kids out because those officers didn’t trust their own procedures that they knew was going to be a complete failure to protect their kids. Look at any of the videos and you’ll see plenty of parents who weren’t hesitating to try to stop the shooter. Yet these cowards waited and waited and only helped their own.

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u/Andire May 27 '22

Didn't stop the other parents from wanting to go in either. The cops sure stopped them, though.

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u/inconvenientnews May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22 Gold Helpful Tearing Up

It gets worse:

A mom of two children at Uvalde was put in handcuffs after urging police and law enforcement to enter the school.

Once freed from her cuffs, she jumped the school fence, ran inside and sprinted out with her kids.

New from @WSJ

https://www.wsj.com/articles/uvalde-residents-voice-frustration-over-shooting-response-11653588161

Cops stood outside the school while the killer rampaged inside.

Onlookers yelled at them to go in. They didn’t.

One parent urged bystanders: “Let’s just rush in because the cops aren’t doing anything like they are supposed to.”

Spoiler: that parent’s daughter died in the attack while he was begging cops to save the kids.

My God.

https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683 https://twitter.com/AndySpecht/status/1529643462953521153

The Uvalde shooter was killed by a federal officer because the other police officers kept waiting for more and more backup

https://www.wsj.com/articles/suspected-shooter-at-texas-elementary-school-in-custody-after-incident-11653422735

additional kid died directly because the cops were incompetent. “When the cops came, the cop said: 'Yell if you need help!' And one of the persons in my class said 'help.'

The [shooter] overheard and he came in and shot her," the boy said.

https://www.kens5.com/article/news/special-reports/uvalde-school-shooting/its-time-to-die-fourth-grade-survivor-uvalde-shooting-recalls-what-gunman-told-student/273-51cc4e26-7a0a-49c0-ba7a-48cdd47fa235 https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1529708434995683329

Uvalde is a town of just 16,000 people. But it apparently has a SWAT team.

We’re regularly told small towns need SWAT teams so they can quickly respond to events just like this. The killer was in the building for an hour.

Photo op of SWAT team: https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1529679652154920960

The school district for Robb Elementary has its own police department with 5 cops and 1 security guard. The city of Uvalde's police department recieved just under 40% of the entire city's budget for the year and got a 500k grant from the state. Neither stopped today's massacre.

https://twitter.com/NeeNeinNyetNo/status/1529220708601151491

one of the things that is pretty shocking and weird if you come from a normal developed country is discovering how American small town finances work and how blatantly jobs-for-the-boys a lot of it is

https://twitter.com/BeijingPalmer/status/1530303292412203009

would be a cool time for "fiscal conservatives" to gut police departments that only exist as daycare for men

https://twitter.com/MilesKlee/status/1530041722566152192

More kids have died from going to school than cops have from going to work

https://twitter.com/JP_1U/status/1529213380044668928

Cops will only do their job when the public stops criticizing them for murdering unarmed people.

@JackPosobiec I'm not defending the actions of the officers. But we've demonized law enforcement to the point that there are far fewer rewards for being a hero

https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1529835589847027712

cops whine and bitch about risking their lives to defend people, and when a shooter shows up in what looks like (but isn't) body armor, they run & hide while a massacre unfolds. an unarmed teacher was brave enough to try.

https://twitter.com/revrrlewis/status/1529454699275075584

There’s a common mythology in law enforcement, pushed by quack groups like the Force Science Institute, that police ofticers’ memories improve over time. It contradicts all the scientific research and, oddly, apparently does not apply to non-police.

https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1529946586058571794

Uvalde police's own spokesman:

WATCH: Texas Police Spox on Live TV Confirmed Cops Went In for Their Own Kids During Uvalde Shooting

https://www.mediaite.com/news/watch-texas-police-spox-on-live-tv-confirmed-cops-went-in-for-their-own-kids-during-uvalde-shooting/

Police lied about the timeline.

They lied about shooter having body armor.

They lied about him being barricaded.

They lied about border patrol on-scene.

They went in and got their own kids.

The armed resource officer failed.

Local PD/DPS/tactical PD waited for SWAT.

https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1529819943608496128

Now the police are investigating themselves to tell us whether letting the school shooter in for an hour while keeping parents from saving their own children’s lives was a policy violation.

https://twitter.com/samswey/status/1529863659677048836

One of the greatest culture shocks when I arrived in the U.S. was the blind veneration of police. After years and years of living here and reading about this country, I now realize that it's the structural pillar of white supremacy.

https://twitter.com/EmilKerenji/status/1529789802551427073

My town has announced that in light of yesterday's tragedy there will be an increased police presence at the schools. As a black father I now have two potential threats to be concerned over.

https://twitter.com/ShanePaulNeil/status/1529436129061224449

The reason the cops are lying this badly is that usually they're lying about how they found the drugs in some dude's car and the only people pushing back are the poor person who has been charged and their court appointed attorney.

The audience that matters usually wants to believe them and will still let it slide even if they don't. So why not lie this insultingly and unconvincingly? It usually works

I mean these are the same people that tell reporters they OD'd by touching fentanyl

Public defender Don Zeko https://twitter.com/Don_Zeko/status/1530297756081917955

Again - the police will continue to change their story until they find the one white people will accept. Don't fall for it. Parents were on the scene - teachers were there. Talk to WITNESSES NOT THE POLICE.

https://twitter.com/LeslieMac/status/1529909067782705153

Remember: if they are lying about something this important, they will lie about literally anything at all

https://twitter.com/janecoaston/status/1530287546093158404

The reason the cops are lying this badly is that usually they're lying about how they found the drugs in some dude's car and the only people pushing back are the poor person who has been charged and their court appointed attorney.

The audience that matters usually wants to believe them and will still let it slide even if they don't. So why not lie this insultingly and unconvincingly? It usually works

I mean these are the same people that tell reporters they OD'd by touching fentanyl

Public defender Don Zeko https://twitter.com/Don_Zeko/status/1530297756081917955

firmly believe that if you rounded up random adults off the street, gave them a gun and gave them the opportunity to stop a school shooting, even without training, a significant number would try it

so for first responders at Columbine, Marjorie Stoneman Douglas and Robb to all stay out... well, it makes you think there might be something "a little off" about the noble american policeman, to be quite honest

https://twitter.com/cd_hooks/status/1529712208900390913

Police in the U.S. assert control and expect deference, and rapidly escalate to violence if people do not defer. Their conviction is that the main dangers they must guard against are symbolic or physical assaults on their own person. They're not in the business of saving people.

https://twitter.com/kjhealy/status/1530027649107640342

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u/sharkethic86 May 27 '22

What I don't understand about the whole "cops got their own kids out" thing, is like did cops go in and open classroom doors and pull out individual kids and tell the rest of the kids + teachers to stay put? And those kids and teachers listened as they see a police officer take 1-2 of their classmates out? I just can't see how that would've played out so it's unclear how cops supposedly only rescued their own kids.

That said, fuck the police and their extremely weak action during this tragedy.

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u/mwcdem May 27 '22

This is what I’m trying to figure out as well! Lmk if you find an answer because this just doesn’t make sense to me.

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u/RedditIsFiction May 27 '22

Snoops is working on finding an answer to this. They'll update this page when they do: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/officers-rescued-own-children-texas/

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u/paddycabes May 27 '22

I understood it as, instead of going to the classroom where the incident occurred, they went to other classrooms first instead to get their kids. Hopefully more details emerge.

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u/Imn0tg0d May 27 '22

They actively stopped parents outside from helping their own kids! What good is it to have every dammed Texan strapped with a gun if they won't let them do what the cops were too scared to do?

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u/Funkyduck8 May 27 '22

This is one of the most incredulous parts of the whole story. An interviewer asked a rep from the police department about this very question, and he CONFIRMED that officers did go in to the school to get their own kids out....and then never went back in (until much, much later)

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u/whatevers1234 May 27 '22

The funny thing is Police Officer doesn’t even crack the top ten for most dangerous jobs. It sits at rank 22. You are more likely to die being a fucking crossing guard.

If you don’t wanna do your damn job then don’t apply imo.

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u/F3int May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

They don't come to us with that same energy when we point out:

1)Then what was all that funding for? That took up close to 40% of all of the entire district's funding.

2) They planned, organized, and submitted their "procedure" to help protect the children from active shooter scenarios, with confidence, and assurance that they could professionally execute those things when the time came.

3)Why the hell are you even a police officer and why did you swear an oath if you aren't there to "serve and protect"? You wonder where the respect went huh? If children are forced* to be brave for an entire hour, for 1 whole hour, you can't be braver than them when you're armed and so called "trained for these types of scenario men"?

4)Once again, what was all that training for? Your entire department needs to be held accountable, and every single one of you top to down needs to be fired or re-evaluated for the terrible job that you did.

Forgot to add this, felt the need to make a special note:

5) Why did you tell the students to yell for help? Because when a child did yell for help, instead of the officers being there to save her, the gunman heard and shot her instead. Was this in the training as well?

Source:https://www.kens5.com/article/news/special-reports/uvalde-school-shooting/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-fourth-grader-student-account-elementary/273-51cc4e26-7a0a-49c0-ba7a-48cdd47fa235

Additional points from updates:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMjdoWt8EZg

6) "Texas embraces active shooter training, active shooter certification, and that doctrine requires, keyword "requires" officers, we don't care what agency you're from, you don't have to have a leader on the scene, every officer, lines up, stacks up, goes and finds where those rounds are being fired at, and keeps shooting until the subject is dead, period." ~From the mouth of Steven C. McCraw Director of Texas DPS.

Apparently the experts agree, that it was the wrong decision to have waited, that 1 hour, until they engaged the armed gunman.

Edit: Spelling & Grammar

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u/IjsKind May 27 '22

A child was brave enough to cover herself in her classmates blood and play dead to survive, but a grown ass man couldn't bother to even try to stop a teenager from entering the school and killing 19 of her schoolmates.

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u/gorramfrakker May 27 '22

Her classmate wasn’t dead while her friend used her blood to survive. She died later at the hospital but could have survived if helped would have arrived during the golden hour.

Instead one little girl is dead and another is changed forever because the police and their masters are cowards and thieves.

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u/Telepornographer May 27 '22

Police don't even have much training themselves. It takes more time to become a qualified barber than a police officer.

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u/dmkicksballs13 May 27 '22

I'd also argue they're wrong. They were legit holding parents back from running in there.

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u/zeptillian May 27 '22 Gold Helpful This

Defund the police.

"Well let's see who you call when your life is in danger with no cops then."

Protect the children.

"What do you expect the cops to do? Put their lives on the line to save you?"

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u/mythrilcrafter May 27 '22 Helpful

"Well let's see who you call when your life is in danger with no cops then."

And when people decide "Okay then, we'll arm ourselves, do our own training, and then do self/community-policing", that's when Reagan came along and signed the Mulford Act into law.

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u/ItsKrakenMeUp May 27 '22

People in the military literally go to another country to put their life on the line. Cops can’t even do it at home. What a joke.

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u/GroteStruisvogel May 27 '22

I just want to share this link from my country police

https://youtu.be/P2OV79F_rbU

A couple of years ago, in the height of the ISIS danger period, some lunatic with a (we now know fake) gun decided to take a television studio hostage while the 8'o clock national news was being broadcasted. The hero cops in this video were literally the first cops to respond. Just your friendly neighbourhood cops only armed with handguns and small bulletvests. They went in immediatly without waiting for spec op backup and apprehended the suspect. This is how its supposed to be done.

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u/PurpleTeapotOfDoom May 27 '22

Here's an example from my city where police (who are not usually armed here) took out an armed hostage taker with a taser.

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u/TBCNoah May 27 '22

Actual hero compares to these fucking cowards. Those cops are as heavily armed as the average person and did their job splendidly without fanfare. These fucking military cops couldn't do shit and people died because of it.

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u/Fineous4 May 27 '22 All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy

Instead of just calling them cowards, how about we call for police reform. They don’t protect. They don’t serve. They police. That means, they do what they want and control what they want. And they do it without any consequence. We can do better than that.

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u/Geometronics May 27 '22

how about we take some of their insane budget and give it to teachers instead.

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u/Dingy_Shinji May 27 '22

If the youth gets too smart, things might change. How silly of you.

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u/ratatatar May 27 '22 Wholesome

because paying for lethal force is patriotic and paying for quality of life and basic human needs is communism. /s

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u/foxden_racing May 27 '22

Not only do they not protect or serve, they have successfully argued in court that they are under no obligation to serve, protect, or even respond.

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u/Cereal_Poster- May 27 '22

Yup it was a case where a woman called the police because her estranged husband picked up her kids without her consent even though he had a restraining order agains the family. The woman called the police 5 times over 6 hours. All the times they said they will get to it. She went to them at midnight and they told her to go home. Her husband murdered their kids.

She sued the police and it was determined that police are under so obligation to actually act and establish precedent that police cannot be sued for inaction.

FUCKING EMBARRASSING

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u/Shadow0fAGhost May 27 '22

"You took an oath just the same as me, Sheriff. To protect and serve, not harass and douche. Just 'cause you have a badge doesn't mean you can treat people any way you like. And as law enforcement professional, you have an obligation to be more ethically upstanding than the average man, not less"

  • Joe Swanson, Family Guy
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u/CrazyAzian99 May 27 '22

Anyone notice how the Texas DPS Chief had to give the news conference today?

The fucking Chief of Police who was the responsible agent on site and made the call to sit outside while kids were bleeding out inside is hiding his face. Fucking shameful.

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u/Black_Bal May 27 '22

Cops (and their fanboys) when leftists call to abolish the police: "Those cops are heroes, who put their life on the line every day, and we need them to fight violent crime!"

Cops when violent crime actually occurs: "Hey, you wouldn't expect me to risk my life and get involved with that, right?!"

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