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The Halo subreddit has actually been locked down follow many players unhappy with monetisation, progression and playlists. [It has reopened]

/r/halo/comments/r97dai/temporary_rhalo_lockdown
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u/PCGamingMegaMod . Dec 05 '21

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u/xvxHaVoK Dec 05 '21

I think the playlist issues is what really has made a lot of people upset, especially with their response on how long it will take them to add basic slayer/ffa.

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u/Stereo_soundS Dec 05 '21 edited Dec 06 '21

I played many many hours of H2/3/Reach/4.

Are you telling me they released the game with no Team Slayer playlist?

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u/GeigerCounting Dec 05 '21

It's just one giant play list with everything. So if all you're interested in doing is fragging that's not an option.

I think it's because they want to shoe horn the game into being a big esport which is where objective based gameplay would be better for viewers. And if everyone is playing the same thing as pros it would be better for retention.

Problem here is, Halo players just wanna to beat each others asses.

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u/NukaCooler Dec 05 '21

I think it's because they want to shoe horn the game into being a big esport which is where objective based gameplay would be better for viewers.

One of the Devs posted a long response about Halo, their reasoning for no slayer playlist was something along the lines of "a dedicated slayer playlist causes player numbers for objective game modes to suffer"

So instead of adding the most popular playlist, they force everyone to suffer through objective games

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u/KingKulak Dec 06 '21

I feel like that's gonna cause a lot of players to treat objective modes like slayer modes which is only gonna make shit worse

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u/NukaCooler Dec 06 '21

That's exactly what's happening, or people leaving games because they don't want to play that sort of objective game (there's just two playlists, big team and small team)

Along with daily/weekly challenges that don't encourage playing the objective, the games a mess.

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u/dingleberry314 Dec 05 '21

No the real reason is if they had individual playlists for each game type you wouldn't need to cycle through 6 games of CTF/Strongholds/Slayer to get your challenge for playing one game of Oddball completed.

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u/mycak2000 Dec 05 '21

I had one challenge that was WIN 3 games of oddball. I had to skip it because the odds were just so low.

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u/TheClashSuck Dec 05 '21

So if all you're interested in doing is fragging that's not an option.

Read: 96% of the people who play Halo to begin with

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u/AivenB Dec 05 '21 Silver

They've had Halo 2, 3, Reach, 4, and 5 to look back on. Why would they think it's okay to launch with the bare minimum of a playlist.

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u/Jester814 Dec 05 '21

I mean they launched or are launching the campaign with no co-op so...

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u/4th_Replicant Dec 05 '21 Silver

I just wish there was a career/stats page and I would be happy.

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u/KosmicMicrowave Dec 05 '21

How is this not a thing? Almost as easy and obvious as a slayer playlist.

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u/4th_Replicant Dec 05 '21

No idea why they decided to leave it out. Really hope they add one soon.

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u/RedRageXXIV Dec 05 '21

What are these companies doing when they forget what made them successful in the first place? It’s crazy!

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u/NoAttitude6111 Dec 05 '21 Silver

They're starting to use the really fucked up immoral and psychological tricks that advertisers have been using for years. They've realized manipulation and addiction make more money than a worthwhile experience. And they are going to do everything they can to convince you thats not the case, because deep in their hearts they have convinced themselves that what they say is true.

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u/Specialist_Shitbag Dec 05 '21

Dude, we can’t even get scoreboards in 2042.

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u/Terry___Mcginnis 3700X, 2080ti OC, 16GB 3200, 1TB NVMe Dec 05 '21 edited Dec 05 '21

343 logic: we see the most demanded thing is a slayer playlist so we're going to add more playlists that aren't slayer and wait until after the holidays to add slayer.

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u/king0pa1n Dec 05 '21

"When we give players the option to do Slayer or Objective playlist, the Objective playlist has far less players"

Maybe because people play what they want to play???

For the record I am an objective mode player primarily, and it's okay if the playlist is small but sweet. It would be filled by people looking forward to playing objectives, and playing the gamemode correctly.

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u/IndigoMoss Dec 05 '21

As someone that likes objective modes, by including all of the players that just want to play Slayer, all they are doing is making objective modes worse.

I seriously have never played a game in which so many people ignore the objective. It's miserable.

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u/Peter_Sloth Dec 05 '21

Played a game of oddball last night. One firefight was a full 4v4 we wiped the other team but I died. So It was 3v0 with the ball at my teams feet while everyone respawns. Nobody picked up the fucking ball.

Just sitting there, on top of the ball, with no enemies even on the map for a few seconds, not even trying to score points.

Absolutely ridiculous

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u/Noruihwest Dec 05 '21

All too common in quick play. It's SLIGHTLY better in ranked, but honestly they really need to see the writing on the wall here and understand that a large amount of Halo players simply do not like playing objectives. Especially when you are not rewarded for winning, you are rewarded based on how many rounds you play. I literally had an argument with a team member where he said it was better for him to just not play the objective and lose so his round would be complete faster to get the XP...and like...he wasn't even wrong?

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u/MolestingSandwich Dec 05 '21

This is why I stopped playing. Instead of playing halo it’s a bunch of people playing complete the challenges with a halo skin.

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u/flibble24 Dec 05 '21

The irony of knowing what people want to play and using that as a reason to not let people play that

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u/bVI7N6V7IM7 Dec 05 '21

"You think you do, but you don't"

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u/GeT_Tilted Dec 05 '21

"Do you guys not have phones?"

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u/AnteilTogar Dec 05 '21

ohhhh Blizzard....

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u/ClayRoks Dec 05 '21

Well we certainly dont have slayer

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u/Sgtdante Dec 05 '21

I don't know that Ironic is the best way to describe this. I'd use malicious.

They swear down that the random challenges that use random games modes in an all random playlist aren't to sell challenge swaps, but there is literally no other reason to not let players play what they want. If you let people queue for any game mode then they could get their "Play 3 oddball matches" in 3 games, and there will be no frustration to "get that damn challenge out of my queue" for the low low price of whatever amount of bullshit paid-currency they use. Far too many reports of people playing 10-20 matches without seeing a single one of a certain type of match. Anecdotally, I've only played for a few hours but have literally not had a single Stockpile match.

If you let players queue for anything and some game modes go underused then it just proves that those modes are not popular. This is great and direct player feedback if making the game as enjoyable as possible is your priority as a game dev. Unfortunately it's not been about fun for a lot of these companies for a long time now. lately it's all about attempts to "increase player engagement", which is bullshit PR speak for "The longer you are in our game, the more likely you are to spend extra money on it". And the Halo model is particularly shitty.

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u/reincarN8ed Dec 05 '21

Ask yourself why the option to buy challenge swaps even exists. They put up an artificial roadblock, and then charge you money to get around it.

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u/Sgtdante Dec 05 '21

Yeah, selling solutions to invented problems. "Putting the player first" my arse. They won't be happy until they get every damn cent out of their userbase.

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u/Pontiflakes Dec 05 '21

Devs these days seem to be afraid to release unpopular game modes/playlists. It's true that when people see that a playlist is unpopular, they're less likely to play it, so the playerbase of that playlist dwindles to just the hardcore players and complete noobs. It does feel shitty when devs insist on controlling the game modes so much though. I grew up playing FPS games with custom servers and mods and shit so it's hard to adapt to the modern style of playlists and time-limited event modes.

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u/gsauce8 Dec 05 '21

For real. For some reason they'd rather just everyone quit when they get oddball cause they were looking for Slayer

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u/Between_three_and20 Dec 05 '21 edited Dec 06 '21

This. This right here.

This is the answer they are avoiding because is freaking true.

The “ we can’t give you what you want because you play the mode you want “ is asinine.

343 letting their decisions makers drag their name through the mud. …laughing all the way to the bank with idiot money

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u/JimmyTwoTaps Dec 05 '21

On top of that, they already have a solution for dead modes: bots. They could turn up the difficulty past brain dead and fill out those games with bots.

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u/darknavi Dec 05 '21

Reminds me of Blizzard's "you think you want classic, but you actually don't" moment.

How patronizing.

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u/Additional_Crow5235 Dec 05 '21 edited Dec 07 '21

“Don’t you people have phones?!” was their worst moment.

Edit: like 20 of you have replied with the same shit.

The context to my comment is “gaming”, not their heinous acts towards the employees.

Then again, if any of you understood context there probably wouldn’t have been so many of you that commented the same thing.

We get it.

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u/gregoryw3 Dec 05 '21

Pretty sure that was the tipping point for the whole company, it went downhill fast from then on.

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u/CheeseyWheezies Dec 05 '21

I think the slide happened long before that. It was just so far gone by that point that Wyatt Cheng thought it would be reasonable to imply a large room full of PC gamers are stupid for not playing on a fucking phone.

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u/takanishi79 Dec 05 '21

One might call that the avalanche moment. It started well before then, but that was when everyone could finally see it happening in real time.

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u/GenocideOwl Dec 05 '21

THe signs were there for a long time.

How they handled the first DOTA and treated IceFrog before he left for Valve.

Was a bug in SC2 UMS where if you wanted custom controls it would add literally a 1.5 second delay between input and action. It took them over a year to fix it.

And almost everything about D3. Auction house shit, lack of skill points to differentiate characters(every warrior is like every other warrior), and the art style being off.

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u/Skandranonsg Dec 05 '21

How about how they abandoned a perfectly profitable Heroes of the Storm just because it wasn't making Overwatch/WoW money.

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u/ML-A1 Dec 05 '21

and then they let overwatch rot and wow take a nosedive into the ground.

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u/chinomaster182 Dec 05 '21

They also killed SC2, got too greedy with Hearthstone, messed up Diablo 3.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '21

That was specifically so that the "next" DOTA could be caught by them and monetized early.

Only they butchered custom games so hard in Starcraft 2 that nobody wanted to make them anymore.

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u/ghostgnome Dec 05 '21

Independent game development is way too easy nowadays, talented people won't accept those kind of terms anymore.

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u/TheObstruction Dec 05 '21

And almost everything about D3.

Having to be online all the time to play a single-player game.

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u/thunfremlinc Dec 05 '21

Fucking hilarious “Our playlist selector UI couldn’t support more game modes so we just stopped adding them right then and there”

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u/Sempais_nutrients Dec 05 '21

"look i know you want all the game modes that have been in past additions, but we can't do that because the UI we designed is extremely limited. it isn't our fault."

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u/SimulatedHumanity Dec 05 '21

The UI we developed only allows for game modes that our research suggests will bring the most roi for the project.

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u/reincarN8ed Dec 05 '21

Fucking nailed it. The metagame feels like it was designed by the finance team.

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u/SimulatedHumanity Dec 05 '21

Just like head developer for Battlefield 2042 was the guy who fucking directed candy crush. He quit the day before thanksgiving to leave everyone else at the studio to deal with the flak.

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u/Aquatic-Vocation Dec 05 '21

The sad thing is they're not even adding a slayer playlist, they're adding a slayer variants playlist. So yeah there'll be slayer, but it'll be mixed in with a handful of other random gametypes.

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u/Frediey Dec 05 '21

What I honestly don't get, is that people happily pay in games that are unbalanced etc, if the game is fun to play, why not just make the game people want. Money will come with that ..

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u/Sharpie1993 Dec 05 '21

It’ll probably be slayer, tactical slayer (swat) and fiesta slayer or some bull crap.

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u/Travis_TheTravMan Dec 05 '21

Yeah, this way they can still monetize their challenge swaps by giving people challenges for specific game modes they cant choose to play....

And funny enough, it does seem that depending on your challenge, youre less likely to encounter that playtype.

Awesome system there 343!

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u/chemistrian Dec 05 '21

I had a challenge to kill enemies defending a zone and it took me 12 games to get a gamemode with zones.

Simultaneously was waiting for a nap with fusion coils and a cindershot. Still waiting on the latter.

It's ridiculous when 3 of you're challenges are locked behind RNG.

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u/The_Grubgrub Dec 05 '21

And watch it be 75% fiesta, 15% swat, and 10% vanilla slayer

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u/Sharpie1993 Dec 05 '21

Then only vanilla slayer will count towards challenges.

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u/CrimsonThomas Dec 05 '21 edited Dec 05 '21 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Eureka!

343 gutted the BattlePass before launch. It originally had 120 levels and Halo Reach armor pieces, including those that are now only available in the cash shop.

The Achievement for Completing the BattlePass still has “120” in its art. They never changed it. This is both confirming and damning.

You can see this for yourself. Look up the "Battle Tested" achievement for Halo Infinite. It still has the number 120 in its thumbnail art. The first image was a leak from around July that correctly quoted every bit of armor info found in the game at launch, and also matched the 120 levels number that can still be seen on the release achievement art.

People are rightfully pissed off. Ske7ch making the effort to communicate was appreciated by a lot of us, but he also tried to side step some of the major issues with very patronizing and condescending remarks, particularly about monetization.

Edit: I feel the need to reiterate that harassing, insulting, doxxing or threatening 343 developers or leadership isn’t and never will be acceptable. It’s incredibly frustrating to see the momentum and channels of communication with 343 disrupted because of irrational and selfish idiots. I also worry that this will shift the focus from feedback and criticism being given in the spirit of making a good game with bad problems better, to inoculation from future criticism because it could just be dismissed as toxic behavior.

There is a time and place and means to submit our feedback and make our voices heard in a respectful way, just as it’s expected that the community isn’t talked down to. Respect is expected on both sides of the curtain. Doxxing and death threats ain’t it, Chief. For the love of Craig.

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u/ProviNL Dec 05 '21

I wonder how much blame the higher ups have. I cant imagine the average 343 dev is happy about all this. Especially since the game itself plays so fucking good.

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u/CrimsonThomas Dec 05 '21 edited Dec 05 '21

For the most part, the game plays great. My big issue with the gameplay is the lack of player collision which is still turned off despite widespread criticism of that decision.

343 sadly has a decade’s worth of history of “We know you want/don’t want this, but we know better” vibes.

Edit: People have been kind enough to I clarify that friendly player collision is what was deliberately left off. Still not a fan, but I’m happy to be corrected.

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u/thehelldoesthatmean Dec 05 '21

This. It's really unfortunate, but they've royally fucked up every single Halo launch since they took over the franchise over a decade ago. Halo 4 launched without forge, campaign theater, file share, and with a seriously CoDified multiplayer (they turned it into a loadout shooter entirely) that they spent 2 years slowly fixing. MCC didn't work almost at all at launch and then they went silent about it for a year before finally starting to fix it. Halo 5 launched without forge, theater, split screen, firefight, a ton of gametypes, and literally any big team maps. Infinite is launching without co-op, forge, most classic multiplayer gametypes, most playlists, assassinations, a (mostly) working theater, several Halo staple weapons that they've said they'll add later, working custom games, firefight, etc.

To put that in perspective, Halo 3 and Reach launched with all of the above fully complete and functional. It's mind-blowing that not only can't they match feature parity with a 13 year old game, but they seem to release each new game with less and less.

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u/reincarN8ed Dec 05 '21

343 can use the toxicity as an excuse to dismiss all the criticism out of hand, and they will. I'm not saying the insults were warranted, but if people feel like they aren't being heard, they will get louder.

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u/AlsopK Dec 06 '21

That’s really all this is. Shut down all the criticism just before launch and play the victim to win sympathy.

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u/Cypher587 Dec 05 '21

When they announced the multiplayer would be free-to-play, everyone knew there would be some level of microtransactions as that's the nature of free-to-pay. However, the player base assumed that with this being Microsoft's biggest game and synonymous with the Xbox brand itself, it wouldn't be that bad. Instead, players are nickel and dimed harder than most mobile free-to-play games run by much, much smaller companies.

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u/mork212 Dec 05 '21

The battle pass being gutted before launch was heavy though it was supposed to have 120 levels and include all reach armours

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u/Travis_TheTravMan Dec 05 '21

Ive seen this comment a few times, and that is unforgiving if true. Absolute shit show.

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u/Emsizz Dec 05 '21

The achievement still says “120”

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u/TheObstruction Dec 05 '21

How they got to 120 levels and didn't realize 117 is right there...

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u/screamagainstcancer Dec 05 '21 Silver

Because they care about money not Halo.

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u/cptnbignutz Dec 05 '21

Yeah I think those days are gone for AAA games. I personally dgaf about armor or challenges or any of that shit but the skins/battle pass money alternative is exponentially more lucrative so the business people are going to go that route.

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u/The_Turbinator Dec 05 '21

Yeah, Halo now makes Call of Duty Warzone look like an angel when it comes to nickel and diming.

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u/Turbulent_Link1738 Dec 05 '21

CoD gives you points on the premium pass that you can use towards the next at least

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u/MoeMoa Dec 05 '21

And I thought this was the redemption arc of 343i...

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u/Onyx_Sentinel RTX 3080/I-9 10900k Dec 05 '21 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome

Dude, you realize 343 literally named their studio after the character that betrays master chief at the most crucial moment

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u/IsDaedalus Dec 05 '21

What's the opposite of redemption arc?

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u/DTGG Dec 05 '21

Remember, this game was supposed to come out 1 year ago.

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u/Sharpie1993 Dec 05 '21

Makes you wonder what they were planning on releasing.

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u/Venom349 5900x | Aorus 3080 Ti Master | G.SKill 32GB 3200 | 6TB Dec 05 '21

The store

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u/TheSkinnyBone Dec 05 '21

Ah, the Star Citizen approach

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u/SchizoDogFucker Dec 05 '21

We did it, mods. The dissent has been cancelled. 😎

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u/WambulanceChasers Dec 05 '21

Everyone likes Halo now.

Thanksimcured

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u/EirikurG Dec 05 '21

Doubt it'll cool things down. The train will be running on Monday again anyways, and probably even worse now with added pressure.
So unless they intend to keep the sub closed forever, things wont get better until 343i fixes their game.

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u/KickBassColonyDrop Dec 06 '21 edited Dec 06 '21

Sketch pointed out that the reason they couldn't do this is because of UI limitations and complex profession systems tied together in ways that's very difficult to decouple.

Anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together to create a spark should be able to read between the lines here on what that actually means: cosmetic MONETIZATION IS tied to playlists. Everything else is gas lighting and excuses. Everyone is still acting and operating like this is a $60 MP title and are being purposefully ignorant or are just plain stupid, in failing to recognize that they told you this is a 10 year *-as-a-service title. That they want to monetize it from 2020 to 2030.

Honestly. Honestly, it's bewildering to see people go "you can't criticize them, they're hard workers and people too!” Like hell I can't. They've literally built an engine where every little thing in it is intricately tied to cosmetic monetization. Where players are algorithmically corralled into playing specific playlists that are antithetical towards unlocking what they want and are instead put into a position where they can suffer an arbitrarily long amount of time to maybe, eventually unlock the part, or be the good little bitch, and give Microsoft and 343i the $$ they want in return for the armor piece or color coating you want instead.

As someone once said elsewhere on the internet. A free to play title is where developers and publishers are removing the $60 entry cost and raising the price to infinity. Rather apt then that the game is called Halo Infinite.

Also, funny anecdote. They're now 3 for 3 on making shit Halo games.

I mean think about it. The bots are not at all impacted by it. But guess what bots are? A form of free in-game advertising of all the cool spartan outfits and combinations that are possible. Wouldn't you, the player want to look that sick and cool? Yeah? Just $15, it's like a meal. Think of the bragging rights to your friends... The bots are basically propaganda to convince people to pay.

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u/TazerPlace Dec 05 '21

Now we know the source of player toxicity:

Games as a service.

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u/adkenna Dec 05 '21

The thing that has pushed this overboard is that a number of the devs have came out with pretty bad excuses as to why things are the way they are.

Such as the fact they made this game to last 10 years yet they messed up the game so badly that the need to overhaul its UI just to add more playlists.

But the UI for the shop is in perfect working order to constantly add and remove things on the go.

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u/flibble24 Dec 05 '21

This game is meant last 10 years but they have made the UI so unworkable that you will need 3 months to add in extra playlists?

Modern gaming standards are at an all time low. Release games unfinished and just expect plebs to lap it up

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u/rsinc666 Dec 05 '21

The most bizarre thing I’ve seen is that one of the devs said they are working on the feasibility of slayer. Literally the staple game mode of halo or really any shooter. It’s a decent game but it’s really lacking in content.

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u/petej50 Dec 05 '21

I am super out of the loop on this. The game doesn't have slayer?!

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u/ProllyBitching Dec 05 '21

It does, you just can't choose which game mode you play, get in a random playlist and either suck it up and play something you dont like or don't need to do for progress, or quit and try to get it next time.

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u/zehydra Dec 05 '21

That's really dumb

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u/jeegte12 Ryzen 9 3900X - RTX 2060S - 32GB - anti-RGB Dec 05 '21

Feasibility of the most common, popular, staple game type in the first person multiplayer genre. "HMM GUYS how are we gonna make this work???"

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u/Wario_Speedwagon69 Dec 05 '21

Realistically, it's probably more like the feasibility of introducing a playlist that makes it easier to progress certain challenges and how you interact with their monetazation structure.

These devs aren't dumb, I'm sure they want slayer as much as we do. It's likely management that needs to be convinced.

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u/zRandyMarsh Dec 05 '21

He also said in that same sentence, “ going to add new Interesting things to slayer”

Like why? No one asked for that, no one asked for anything in this game.

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u/Erikk1138 i5-6500 | GTX 1060 3GB | 16GB RAM Dec 05 '21

He calls out being accused of "corpo speak" and then uses it for most of the post.

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u/GalacticHero Dec 05 '21

I don’t know how he can even pretend to be offended by “corpo speak,” of all things. His actual job is to be a corporate mouthpiece. That is what he is paid to do, and it’s not like that’s a secret when your title is “Community Director.” Everything he says to the community is corpo speak, by definition, as long as his job is to represent the corporation to its community.

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u/ArrayedFracture Dec 05 '21

You forgot to specify the game currently is being proudly labelled a Beta but they've got no issues charging folks with (massively overpriced) micro transactions... In a beta.

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u/TheBountyHunterIX Dec 05 '21 Silver

Here’s how it will go: 343 will quickly respond with a solution to the problem they created (“we hear you, so here’s what we’re doing”), the outrage will be over, the subreddit will be filled with “I never lost my faith see everything turned out fine” and “I can’t believe how upset everyone was over something so trivial” posts. All dissenters will be downvoted to oblivion. Repeat when 343 makes another major fuck up.

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u/xevizero . i7 4790k & GTX 1080ti Dec 05 '21

I've seen this so many times.

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u/DetecJack Dec 05 '21

With cyberpunk,anthem,cod vanguard, battlefield 2045 yeah

Its pretty amusing how much gaming has changed in 5 years

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u/Zhukov-74 Dec 05 '21

anthem

Yes i still remember being on r/AnthemTheGame during release day and reading the exact thing.

I still feel like a sucker buying that game day 1. It did make me learn one very important lesson however.

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u/Piltonbadger Dec 05 '21

Anthem is the reason I now never pre order anything. I wait at least a month after AAA game releases for the inevitable stability patches that bring it up to a condition worthy of actual release.

Mostly I wait for a year, because that is how long it has taken some games to sort their shit out and actually be what was advertised.

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u/WokeRedditDude Dec 05 '21

If you wait a month you'll miss out on the preorder code for a low level weapon.

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u/xevizero . i7 4790k & GTX 1080ti Dec 05 '21

First time I saw this was with Fallout 4 actually. I was pretty vocal on r/fallout about Fallout Shelter being dangerous (first time Bethesda really went in with lootboxes and f2p features, told people to stay away, the game made record amounts of money for months)..then I started discussing the negative sides of the season pass (man, those were the times, season passes being seen as scummy) and it appeared I was right, with half the DLCs being released being subpar, broken and half-baked. Then there was the entire Creation Club debacle and even then, I had to experience waves of apologists singing something along the lines of "It's not microtransactions! It's just supporting mod creators!!!"..yeah, sure. And this obviously lead to Fallout 76 being announced and I got really, really nervous that it was going to be a shitshow, because online plus the free pass they got on the Creation Club meant microtransactions and microtransactions means you can release a game in a horrid state and still milk those whales (and also the design of the game was made worse to accomodate for their existence).

And yeah..finally, after 5 years of daily activity on r/fallout (to the point where another 4 years later it's still my top sub for karma count) I left, and never went back. I was simply too burned out by..by exactly what you described in your comment. The fanbase sucking up all the lies and not understanding the obvious direction the franchise was headed towards made it toxic to me, unbearably so, I just lost my love for the series and moved on to other games.

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u/gregoryw3 Dec 05 '21

First time I saw this was with Destiny and Destiny 2.

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u/CyborgNinja777 3900X / EVGA 3080 XC Ultra / G. Skill TridentZ Neo 64GB Dec 05 '21

Actually the lockdown happened because step one happened, and the outrage got even bigger.

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u/Lonelydenialgirl Dec 05 '21

I saw the bullshit corporate forced helplessness on display in that post. I feel bad for the messenger. But there was nothing of value in that long rant. And people lost their shit. Rightfully so.

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u/Frediey Dec 05 '21

Yea, I won't lie, when I read it, I felt bad, but there was very little meat to the post. But I could kinda feel the frustration in how things were worded

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u/Sharpie1993 Dec 05 '21

repeat when 343 makes another major fuck up.

Which you know they will.

Can you imagine what the halo sub is gonna be like if they managed to fuck up the campaign.

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u/nosferatWitcher Dec 05 '21

No co-op campaign until May at the earliest... I'd say they already have

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u/Sharpie1993 Dec 05 '21

Yeah allot of people are rightfully angry about that.

I wonder what exactly they were planning on releasing last year.

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u/Kinglink Dec 05 '21

"Don't worry the first mission is really good, the rest will release when they are done"

I think MCC let them think they could get away with a lot more.

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u/Sharpie1993 Dec 05 '21

I honestly don’t know why Microsoft even allowed 343i to infinite, every release they’ve done has had problems.

I’m also honestly surprised that Microsoft isn’t scrambling to fix things, such large companies normally hate bad PR and there have definitely been some articles showing how angry the community is about the MP.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '21 edited Dec 07 '21

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u/Frostsorrow Dec 05 '21

That's what baffles me most, this game is suppose to be around for 10+ years. Why the ever loving fuck would you make it difficult to add things to?

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u/BorkedStandards Dec 05 '21

Priorities...I bet it's really easy to drag and drop new skins into the store

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u/sentientTroll Dec 05 '21

Super easy. Barely an inconvenience.

Unlike all the hyper difficult player friendly changes that would require everyone to come back to the office and work sunrise to sunset for months and months, all the shop stuff is ridiculously easy to do. Actually, it can be done on vacation, from the comfort of their home. It’s easy to drag and drop all the completed money making designs they’ve been working hard on for 5 years.

The important stuff they haven’t been working on? Well, shit. Sorry guys. Big daddy Microsoft needs a yacht, not a happy consumer. Now pay up baby!!

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u/Reikasghost Dec 05 '21

So, may 2022 is when the game should be released really

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u/GENERALR0SE Dec 05 '21

And no split screen multiplayer until the coop campaign (on PC)

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u/Starkregen Dec 05 '21

Get ready for “am I the only one having fun” shill posts.

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u/MotherBeef Dec 05 '21 edited Dec 06 '21

"I'm having a blast!"

Is the weird, borderline copy and pasted comment you see fucking everywhere on the 2042 subreddit to the point where im wondering if they bought bots to write that.

Edit- people seem to be misinterpreting my comment. This isn’t about whether I think Halo or 2042 is good or bad, moreso the prevalence of gaming subreddits during controversies have a swarm of what very easily could be assumed to be bots. I’m not talking about writing off positive comments, is comments that are like letter to letter the exact same and posted over and over again. Before anyone suggests I’ve gone all tinhat, just a reminder how it’s been proven over and over that Reddit is frequently (and easily) influenced by those that have the means or intent. If you think that the content you see on Reddit isn’t influenced (to some extent) by multi-million dollar companies as part of their advertising campaigns, you’re delusional.

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u/hectorduenas86 Dec 05 '21

They’re doing the same in the New World sub, is definitely astroturfed.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '21 edited Dec 15 '21

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u/Venom349 5900x | Aorus 3080 Ti Master | G.SKill 32GB 3200 | 6TB Dec 05 '21

Oh my god that's gold good different

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u/selffufillingprophet Dec 05 '21 edited Dec 05 '21 Helpful Wholesome Eureka!

It appears the Streisand effect is already hitting pretty hard with that decision…

I haven’t visited r/halo pre-Infinite beta so I can’t speak on the overall vibe of that sub, but as someone who’s heavily invested in the game I do think some of the frustration the community feels about 343 are somewhat justified.

The current system of “progression” of the game is so woefully executed that it’s having a direct impact on the multiplayer experience. Currently you can only unlock cosmetics from gameplay through the battle pass, and only really progress the battle pass through the weekly challenges. Combine this with the fact that you can’t individually choose which game mode to play leads to toxic gameplay behavior…there are a lot of players who will camp weapons/vehicle spawns and even leave games immediately if it’s not the mode they need to play.

Of course I do not condone the community members who were harassing and sending death threats to others, but I still find locking the whole sub a questionable action for the mods to take. I expect there may be more backlash to this than anticipated.

EDIT: This bears repeating...but to add insult to injury it appears that the original S1 Battle Pass was supposed to go up to level 120 and contained significantly more armor rewards and at some point during production prior to the early release beta it was gutted...These armor files still exist in game...but unsurprisingly you can only obtain them in the Store cosmetic page...big ooof moment right there 343

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u/AKittyCat Dec 05 '21

Pre-Infinite it was mostly just people making memes, talking about some story stuff, and being nostalgic as the MCC steam release rolled out.

It was a pretty fun place if you grew up playing a lot of XBL Halo as a kid.

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u/flamfranky Dec 05 '21

Combine this with the fact that you can’t individually choose which game mode to play

Wait, i never play halo before, can you explain how this work?

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u/Pandainthecircus Dec 05 '21

In previous halos you could choose directly what game mode you wanted to play, how many players in a match etc.

Such as slayer (2 teams, first to 100 kills wins), capture the flag, king of the hill and other miscellaneous ones.

Number of players ranges from 4 per team to 16 per team.

In this one you can still choose how many players per a match, but it'll load you into a random gamemode from a selection.

So if I want to play slayer I have to queue and just hope I get it.

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u/Mlghubben1e Dec 05 '21

Let's not forget that they don't even have any free for all modes. You would think if they wanted people to pick how many players there are in your team they would also have free for all with a mix of modes, but they don't.

Plus custom games are broken so you and your friends can't mess around and have fun, very easily anyway.

Then some weapon balance and server/game issues can harm the base combat loop.

Halo infinite is kinda like BF 2042 in that they screwed up aspects that have been engrained in the franchise, just with less yank but a bs progression to compensate.

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u/thedonutman Dec 05 '21

The other day our first 4 games were this: oddball, oddball, ctf, oddball. Game 5 was finally slayer

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u/WoenixFright Dec 05 '21

This is the worst when your weekly challenge is "Get 50 kills in Slayer." Like I hate quitting games but damn dude I don't have the time to play through an hour of games just to get 1/3 progress on a mission I paid $10 to get access to...

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u/DisturbedNocturne Dec 05 '21

Having challenges tied to specific game modes is such a stupid design, I can't believe they didn't see this coming. If you tie progression to game modes, but then prevent people from choosing what modes they play, what did they expect? That's just a formula for frustration, toxicity, and poor sportsmanship.

If someone has a few hours to play a week and constantly just keep getting thrown in every mode but what they need, it's just going to make them angry, leading them to quit or throw matches to end them faster.

It's such a poorly thought out design that doesn't understand people at all.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Top7629 Dec 05 '21

What makes you they didn't see it coming? Their cash shop is one click away and their goal is to make you spend in it.

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u/JodQuag Dec 05 '21

The problem I, and I’m sure many others have, is that this is just another shining example of aggressive monetization seriously affecting the game experience. The restriction on mode selection absolutely, 100%, exists to make challenges more difficult in attempt to slow down progression and sell skips/boosters. A game doesn’t have to have p2w features to have monetization problems - extended grinds, inconveniences added and fixes for the artificial problems sold, shady matchmaking algorithms, lack of decent customization outside of mtx, and many more issues are plaguing nearly all modern releases.

Fuck this shit. We will gladly pay for games. Give us good games and stop trying to milk us dry from every angle.

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u/Howitzer92 Dec 05 '21 Gold Ally

I think this is indicative of a broader problem: We don't really trust the industry anymore.

343 may in fact working on all of these problems and may have solutions in short order; but the fact is we've been treated like crap by so many other industry players that trusting them to actually implement these changes is a big ask for a lot of us.

I also don't trust mainsteam gaming journalism anymore. Angry Joe alluded to this in his BF2042 video. It's pretty clear that someone is getting paid or held at gunpoint(job point?) To give AAA games much higher ratings than they deserve.

I'm at the point where I won't even consider buying a AAA game unless Angry Joe or someone I trust has already played the entire game and put a review.

It sucks, but this is where we are.

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u/Ambitious_Science_79 Dec 05 '21

Its unfortunate that marketing is so powerful now and so intrusive, that I cant trust youtube or twitch because so many AAA companies run influencer programs. They hype a game up during development and are suspiciously silent or easy going when it comes to critique. Then, when the game is released, do they post a video highlighting the issues but by then its too late. The dev/publisher got their money, and its clear that video is only there to keep up the pretense that the youtuber is 'one of us'.

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u/Shad0wDreamer Dec 05 '21

A d now that there’s no dislike button without an extension installed, it’ll get worse.

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u/WhiteKnightC i5 10400F | 32 GB RAM | 1650S Dec 05 '21

I also don't trust mainsteam gaming journalism anymore. Angry Joe alluded to this in his BF2042 video. It's pretty clear that someone is getting paid or held at gunpoint(job point?) To give AAA games much higher ratings than they deserve.

Journalist has been a shitshow for a couple of decades now, hell I remember (not american) watching the news in the 90's when I was a kid and they showed real investigation pieces like hidden cameras of corrupt government oficials, etc. Nowadays is a fucking circus.

The same applies to gaming jornalism I really love games but they're expensive (specially on release) and having a good reviewer decides if I buy or not, if I followed the mainstream media I would've been buying every major Ubi release since the dawn of man lmao.

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u/0nel4s7h0n0r Dec 05 '21 edited Dec 05 '21 Silver Gold This

The state of AAA video gaming is just terrible and has been for some time. The handling by community managers has been downright pitiful too. People aren't stupid, they get that games and servers cost money, but macro-transaction-ing them as a business model is going to get rejected because people will know they're getting nickel and dimed. Additionally, the sheer lack of quality control on games, on top of greedy business models, is just abhorrent. It shows a significant lack of care for both the product and the consumer. Then shutting off the voices as people are stating their dissenting opinions because the community manager told them that they should feel a sense of pride and accomplishment the developers know what they want more than they do.

I can't remember the last time I enjoyed a AAA game (Maybe RDR2?) and definitely even longer since I've enjoyed a multiplayer game. Let's be honest gamers are pretty awful people a lot of the time and death threats are waaaaay out of line; but, it's not that hard to understand the anger and vitriol towards these types of developer practices, especially towards a franchise that for many has been a crafter of gaming experiences from the start, it touches home.

Unfortunately, this probably means for myself and a lot of other folks who are tired of these egregious and aggressive behaviors, I'm probably going to be sitting out yet another Halo game.

Edit: Welp I made the mistake of writing a dissenting (or really any) opinion on video games and it blew up. But, I figure I'll take up the Mantle of Responsibility and expand on my thoughts as there has been a lot of feedback on my writing.

I want to first address what this comment is really about, community,consumer-franchise relations. It's bad, like REAAAALLY bad. Consumers and franchise alike, however, I more so place the onus of the blame on the franchisee. My reason for that is that instead of being honest with the community that things cost money and they also need to make money (regardless of where/whom it goes to) there's been a move towards telling the community that the developers know best, or outright dismissing (or quarantining) the community. But I'd argue that it's a co-dependent relationship. They need money, we need something that's worth paying for it. However, if you cut off feedback from the community, (and really act in bad faith, you ostracize people that you count on to make money.

I won't argue that substantive microtransactions as a sole sales model, I.E. Macrotransactions (stole this from another comment which is why I used it above) is a very predatory model (this is especially egregious in a franchise that used to have it as something you earn in-game) is also a necessary model. Let me say that again, substantive microtransactions as a sole sales model are a (somewhat) neccesary business model for a sustained development game. I challenge (another mistake?) anyone else to come up with a business model that provides long-term income for a game you intend to play for 3+ years.

HOWEVER, because this is a sustainable business model, does not lend its hand to the franchise to build abusive models where so much is locked away that it shows that the company is acting in bad faith to alienate its community in order to catch dolphins and whales (arguably a highly abusively predatory practice).

Many of you that had dissenting opinions towards my posting also were interested in hearing "how do you suppose the industry will change". It's rather simple, and history can teach us a lot. Game companies are near the shoe-string budget. Companies that alienate their communities gain a poor reputation (EA, Activision [as current examples]) lose sales, and will eventually go under. Developer's who's models that rely on bad business practices -> alienate the community -> community shrinks -> next game they hype -> bad practice ->alienate the community -> shrinks -> repeat until the bad practice is not sustainable. We can see this in action with Battlefield 2042. I fully expect 343 to have the same issues.

Note to the developers (if you read this) take a page out of Hello Games.

Companies rise and fall, game companies are no different.

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u/Kanye-is-alt-right Dec 05 '21 edited Dec 05 '21

343 dug themselves in a box by making something simple as the color red be locked behind a paywall. Not only that, but releasing a game with no playlists, with challenges that are tied to specific modes, harms the overall experience.

This is a barebones game and it blows my mind people are willing to argue in behalf of a trillion dollar corporation.

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u/berserkuh Dec 05 '21

343 dug themselves in a box by making something simple as the color red be locked behind a paywall

It's not "the color red", it's "the colors red", since you have to rebuy it for a different armor.

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u/Travis_TheTravMan Dec 05 '21 edited Dec 11 '21

You feel that? Thats a feeling of Pride and Accomplishment. Maybe you guys just dont like that sort of thing?

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u/Seahorse-Radish Dec 05 '21 I'll Drink to That

“Don’t you guys have phones money?”

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u/KewlZkid Dec 05 '21

Disgusting.

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u/DrFrenetic Dec 05 '21

Also no forge or coop.

That's key features any Halo game should have from launch.

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u/TheoreticalParadox Dec 05 '21

$10-15 for a skin.

$60 dollars for the campaign.

At least try to hide it lol

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u/Silmarillion151 Dec 05 '21

343: I know what’s best for you. Now give me your money.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '21 edited Dec 05 '21

Not sure whats going on, but sounds like the developers think they know better than the player base. Simply refuse to buy the game--fuck them.

Edit - or refuse to play in the case of free games; this would make them look even stupider

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u/allyc4t 5900x | 64GB | RTX 3080 | 4K | 21:9 ULTRAWIDE 120hz | INDEX Dec 05 '21

The sub took a turn for the worse when 343 said it would take them more than a month to put in a Team Slayer playlist.

343 did not include a playlist that has been in every Halo game since 2004. And the reasons given by 343 were pretty abysmal. Would have been better to not say anything.

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u/Pikesmakker Dec 05 '21

Things went into overdrive yesterday when they followed that up with the admission that they're still discussing the "feasibility" of a slayer playlist.

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u/Onyx_Sentinel RTX 3080/I-9 10900k Dec 05 '21

dumbest dev comment of 2021, has to be

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u/Touds Dec 05 '21

It takes a special person to be a reddit mod. Very special.

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u/Zhukov-74 Dec 05 '21 edited Dec 05 '21

I don’t think the way of dealing with complaints and some toxicity is by locking down the subreddit.

People on r/battlefield2042 are currently criticizing the game all the time but that subreddit isn’t lockdown and this can be said about plenty of other gaming related subreddits.

It must not be easy for mods to keep track of every single post but this seems a bit abrupt also there is no indication that the subreddit will be any bit less toxic or filled with less complaints when the subreddit is unlocked.

Perhaps instead they should have locked down the individual posts more often if the conversation went of the rails?

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u/TAJack1 Dec 05 '21

343 just letting people down again, nothing new.

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u/HappyBunchaTrees Dec 05 '21

They've had the Halo IP for what, 9 years now? They still find new and exciting ways to make a complete balls of it.

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u/Battleman69 Dec 05 '21

Lol try 11 years

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u/JuzoRin Dec 05 '21

Lol and they have been working on 1 game for 6 years okay

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u/SciFiMisc Dec 05 '21

They have been almost completely and totally incompetent from literally their creation. Its embarassing that Microsoft has let Halo get to the state its in

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u/Tempest_True Dec 05 '21

Even their name signalled how poorly they would steward Halo. "343" is such a surface-level Halo reference that it was clear that nobody involved 1) truly understood or cared about Halo or 2) had any creative vision or ambition for the IP.

343 Industries exists entirely to milk Halo's brand equity to the last drop.

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u/Desk46 Dec 05 '21

I mean he said it himself- they delayed slayer modes intentionally to protect the "health" of the objective playlists. Maybe just give your player base the modes you know they want to play.

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u/Remarkable-Release70 Dec 05 '21

It’s the same thing that happened when the Master Chief Collection launched as a broken game and was literally unplayable for several days. Literally every post was like, “I don’t know why everyone else is complaining my connection is fine.”, when obviously every playlist was broken. You couldn’t even play single player because of broken saves. Reddit is for astroturfing, don’t expect to get honest perception of public opinion here.

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u/Severax Dec 05 '21

I always felt Halo massively declined after 343 took over. Halo Infinite was appearing to be much more Bungie-esque as it screams 343 going full circle (Halo CE feel anyone?). While I will still play it, my expectations are now sorely tempered.

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u/yaretii Dec 05 '21

I think it’s clear now, we’re never going to experience another Bungie-esque halo, even if Bungie themselves made it.

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u/Hugh00Mungus Dec 05 '21

There was a post about a Twitter user asking how come Slayer isn't a game mode when he can make the mode himself easily in custom games, and the reply from a dude (idk if they're a dev or what) was something like, "yeah, well how many people do you host on that". I pointed out it was a very dumb reply and got banned lmao.

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u/LaserShark42 Dec 05 '21

People arguing FOR paid season passes don't seem to understand that there isn't any actual reason for companies to do so. Imagine this progression for just playing and completing challenges but you never have to pay a cent. Greed and the knowledge that enough people WILL pay for it is why this happens.

The goalposts have been yeeted into the sun

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u/Slacker_75 Dec 05 '21

I love the gameplay but my god this game is so barebones. And this is a FULL YEAR after it was supposed to launch

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u/niepoczytalny Dec 05 '21

“Let's lock down the whole 900k community because of a handful of idiots with death threats”

No matter, people themselves were down voting this kind of debils

xD

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '21

Yeah, it's so stupid. Kind of fucking wild that every single time a huge studio has a massive falling out with the community and does some really dumb shit, the death threat excuses start rolling for damage control. So, are we just going to shut down all social media for a video game every time one mentally ill person on Twitter sends a death threat to a random dev even though the majority of the community doesn't support that behavior?

What's the point? These people aren't going to listen if someone says, "Now now, don't go and threaten people. Behave yourself!" because they are already so far gone that they thought sending a death threat was ok.

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u/Onyx_Sentinel RTX 3080/I-9 10900k Dec 05 '21

It‘s just an excuse to drown out very valid criticism to shield the campaign release next week.

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u/o_oli Dec 05 '21

If only there were mod tools available to help moderate in situations like this eh? I can't think of a single reason why a full lockdown is necessary. Absolute sad state of affairs and the mod team is just gonna get shit on down the line for it. They basically fucked themselves now because they will have lost trust from the community, due to their own incompetence.

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u/DaliLlama__ Dec 05 '21

Doing what mods do best, fomenting a toxic atmosphere. Theyre basically like a factory burning fossil fuels recreationally.

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u/KyotoCo Dec 05 '21

I predicted that this was gonna turn out bad 11 days ago, but didn’t realize it would turn out lockdown bad. I have my fair share of criticism for the game, like audio issues, optimization, etc. Although I am kind of fine with the compromise of the exp they updated us, I still think the shop is still much worse than a lot of other gacha games. Stuff like the Tenrai event was a disappointment not because of the armor, but because it’s time gated and on top of that basic colors like blue and red are coatings you actually have to buy. Forge and server browsers not being in the game is a bummer, but I guess we will just have to wait and see. The gameplay though is fantastic in my opinion which is a good thing they nailed right about personally.

“I have never seen a sub so polarizing of radical ends as much as this one. You either tarnish 343 completely or you bend over for a goddamn company. Those who could see both sides are the minority in this subreddit.”

Yeah, the subreddit I’m going to be honest is really two polarizing opposites that cannot fathom one side to another. I hope my opinions don’t get drown out though because people would just assume that my criticism is just “no cosmetic” when it isn’t. I actually wanted to put down some money onto the BP until I saw the cosmetic shop being overly priced.

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u/Ferrum-56 Dec 05 '21

Yeah, the subreddit I’m going to be honest is really two polarizing opposites that cannot fathom one side to another.

Yeah the subreddit is toxic, like most big game subreddits, but the past 2 weeks the main opinion I've seen is: "The gameplay is good, but ...." which is hardly a polarized opinion. I felt it was overly generous because melee and vehicles are borderline broken, but most people agree the game is generally fun to play. It's only now 343 is trying to dig a deeper hole for themselves and now people realize there's nothing more than the current gamemodes and issues are found left and right that the consensus is getting very negative overall, which also leads to people blindly defending the game.

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u/someguyfromtheuk Dec 05 '21

Yeah I'e seen a lot of people saying "yeah there's no game -modes but new stuff will come on Dec 8th it's just a beta etc."

Now 343 have explained new stuff and big changes won't be happening until next year people are upset, especially since it's pretty underwhelming anyway given the 5 year time and 1 year delay.

I think calling it a beta was a mistake, it led people to think that the "full release" on dec 8th would have more features or big changes to playlists or extra game-modes or whatever.

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u/Ferrum-56 Dec 05 '21 edited Dec 05 '21

I'm curious what'll happen the 8th. See how the campain turns out. It's going to be very important if they want any long term success. Can't say I'm expecting a lot looking at their unfortunate track record.

I won't be buying the campain for sure though. No crossplay co op is the main reason, but no forge, fairly poor performance and free multiplayer means it's just not worth it for me.

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u/fyrecrotch Dec 05 '21

Yeah because 343 actually reads the sub and got hurt feelings. Like bad hurt feelings. They started replying and everything. It was a shit show.

Like a bad AMA except they blamed the fans

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u/n1cx Dec 05 '21

Just another example of how 343 STILL doesn’t completely understand what Halo is.

Takes them A DECADE to put together a good Halo multiplayer experience, and they still manage to find a way to fuck it up.

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u/SudTheThug Dec 05 '21

it was toxic on both sides of some defending 343 from people not liking the game and using the term “it’s free “ when a triple A game should still have a standard and some going at the devs disrespectfully over cosmetics and game development choices that were in bad faith. But in the middle of that you have actual criticism, like how the game didn’t launch with a slayer playlist due to the fact their monetization scheme only works if the player cannot choose their game mode.

Then ske7ch did a response saying they were testing the feasibility of slayer and more about the cosmetics, most fans thought this was gas lighting because the devs tried to make it seem like it was a standard halo release and made it seem like the fans were complaining over nothing and how it’ll take a month to add a slayer playlist ( when there was a slayer playlist in the beta testing flights), and then blaming it on how their UI cannot handle it. Thus this made all hell break loose in the sub and it became a cess pool of people calling each-other whiners, babies, 343 shills, and more.

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u/mork212 Dec 05 '21

It was then discovered that the battle pass had been gutted before launch it was supposed to have 120 levels and include all halo reach armours that part kinda pissed me off

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u/MotherBeef Dec 05 '21

You got a link to that? Thats wild.

Also...very obvious, this BP is filled to the brim with shitty filler items and its so obvious.

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u/iTirpitz . Dec 05 '21

This is the achievement for completing the BP, which shows 120 levels instead of 100.

And this is the content it should have had.

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u/MotherBeef Dec 05 '21

Just found it, so grubby.

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u/SudTheThug Dec 05 '21

forgot to mention that, that was a insane decision

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u/iTirpitz . Dec 05 '21

I was going to buy the BP after launch, but after seeing that... not anymore

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u/SudTheThug Dec 05 '21

sadly I bought it day one, wish I could refund it :/

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u/mork212 Dec 05 '21

Same ☹️

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u/Wesdawg1241 Dec 05 '21

Dude also said adding a slayer playlist would negatively affect the health of other game modes. In other words, they don't like that Slayer is the most popular game mode so you'll play every game mode that's given to you and you'll like it. Doesn't even address the fact that having BP challenges would incentivize people to play those game modes, and that there is always a crowd (even if it's way smaller than the crowd that primarily only wants to play slayer) who will want to play the objective-oriented game modes.

I kinda liked him at first but after his last statement it became pretty clear he's just another paid corporate shill.

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u/JGuR Dec 05 '21

It's ridiculous. I understand Slayer is more popular-you can just jump on and have mindless fun. But, as an objective playlist person I still find tons of games in Master Chief Collection when I don't browse slayer. If the game is successful enough, you will find players anywhere. If you force people to play objective that don't like it, then I suffer because those people don't want to play objectives...

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u/Aquatic-Vocation Dec 05 '21

Then ske7ch did a response saying they were testing the feasibility of slayer

Not the feasibility of adding slayer, but the feasibility of adding a slayer variants playlist. So the slayer gametype will still be mixed in with a handful of other random gametypes.

It's so tonedeaf.

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u/berserkuh Dec 05 '21

we are never going to remove all criticism or relegate all of it to megathreads

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At the same time, we are going to get rid of lower-effort and duplicate critique threads.

Isn't it the same thing? If you're not going to hide the discussion by putting it in an umbrella, why are you deleting everything outside the umbrella?

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u/Heard_That Dec 05 '21

The current state of AAA games is absolutely shameful. I want this to happen to more communities for these fucked up games. I now don’t even buy any at full price because I simply assume it’s going to be either an unfinished mess or full of bullshit trying to wring money out of people.

It being F2P has no bearing here, it’s a MASSIVE and important franchise in the gaming landscape. To treat it like a mobile game is ridiculous.

Screw all these companies, buy good games on discount instead.

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u/FullFruntle Dec 05 '21

I agree. Is it unreasonable to want to just….pay $60 for a fleshed-out, complete game these days? AAA studios seem to just release things half-baked and expect us to just lap it up. The kicker to me is that some people do just lap it up!

Ske7ch essentially calling the H:I playerbase unreasonable for expecting something as simple as a Slayer playlist at the “actual” launch was all I needed to see to know I will not give them a dime of my money until the game is complete and we have actual apologies from 343i.