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"We might have been shot" Texas police force on slow response to mass shooting 📌Follow Up

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u/Redwolf124 May 27 '22 Gold Helpful

I was in the Army and we did a lot of room clearing training. It was scary af because you never knew what could be behind that door so I understand the risk. But guess what, we still fucking did it to complete the mission. These cowards cannot sit there and tell these parents that “we could’ve died” when their children were dying. Just like the military, the danger comes with the job. So get your ass in there. RIP to those brave kids and teachers. Truly heartbreaking.

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u/fallingfoodfor May 27 '22

I hope ppl understand this. Like no one doubts the fear these men face. But it's something they did sign up for. I can't say I have the courage to go in there with an active shooter, and that's why I never applied for the job.

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u/huewutm8 May 28 '22

The crazy thing is, the average police officer makes much more than average active duty military.. what a fucking joke

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u/ChickPea1144 May 27 '22 All-Seeing Upvote Eureka!

Today I learned that the SWAT team, with all the fire power and protection available to modern law enforcement, will leave hundreds of little kids to die because they don’t want to get hurt.

🇺🇸

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u/Kn0tnatural May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22 All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy Starry This

We need to reverse the supreme court ruling that said cops aren't obligated to protect, end qualified immunity, restructure funding, yearly psych evaluations, new training and probably much more.

Edit: add Drug Testing to that list.

Edit 2: link

https://prospect.org/justice/police-have-no-duty-to-protect-the-public/

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u/ionized_fallout May 27 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

So many people don’t have a fucking clue that the Supreme Court ruled that law enforcement has no duty to protect.

https://prospect.org/justice/police-have-no-duty-to-protect-the-public/

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u/Shit_Lord_Detective May 27 '22

If they're not protecting and serving what's the point?

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u/ionized_fallout May 27 '22

Maintaining the Status Quo.

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u/B-i-s-m-a-r-k May 27 '22

Protect private property and Serve the few who own it

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u/Hoeftybag May 27 '22

oh they protect and serve alright, they just protect and serve moneyed interests.

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u/Username_Number_bot May 27 '22

And if cops quit because of it? FUCKING GOOD. It would demonstrate to everyone who the cowards and self dealing officers were.

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u/Kimorin May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

Cops not obligated to protect is kinda like saying

We have a fire department but we will just wait until the fire dies out before we go in just so we don't get injured

Or we have a ems service but we will just wait until we feel like it before rendering assistance

If cops are not obligated to protect, then they don't need their guns. After all, they don't need guns to write up police reports and issue tickets. There is always the border patrol when there are actually lives that need to be saved

edit: also the fact that apparently some cops went into the school to extract THEIR OWN KIDS means that they don't think it's too dangerous, they just think it's not worth it for other ppl when it doesn't affect them.

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u/RowAwayJim91 May 27 '22

Your first statement is not far from the truth.

Read about the origins of the fire department. Ever see Gangs of New York?

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u/BlackeeGreen May 27 '22

The thin blue line needs to toughen the fuck up.

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u/Stalking_Rhino May 27 '22 Helpful

Waves blue line flag "These colors don't run(into buildings while kids are being murdered)."

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u/Changoleo May 27 '22

Did you see the pigs posing for the badass SWAT team picture? Those Gravy Seal posers only run downhill, and only if downhill also happens to lead away from potential threats. Cowards.

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u/BuddaMuta May 27 '22

Shout out to this town spending millions of dollars on military gear for their cops only to learn that the cops will only use it on peaceful protestors and working class folks that can’t fight back

40% of the towns entire budget.

The only people they rescinded were their own kids, leaving the other kids to die. The only people detained were parents trying to rescue their children, which I’m sure was due to the parents being majority brown therefore not worthy of having alive children

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u/inconvenientnews May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

Photo op of SWAT team:

https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1529679652154920960

Uvalde is a town of just 16,000 people. But it apparently has a SWAT team.

We’re regularly told small towns need SWAT teams so they can quickly respond to events just like this. The killer was in the building for an hour.

The school district for Robb Elementary has its own police department with 5 cops and 1 security guard. The city of Uvalde's police department recieved just under 40% of the entire city's budget for the year and got a 500k grant from the state. Neither stopped today's massacre.

https://twitter.com/NeeNeinNyetNo/status/1529220708601151491

"Cops will only do their job when the public stops criticizing them for murdering unarmed people."

@JackPosobiec I'm not defending the actions of the officers. But we've demonized law enforcement to the point that there are far fewer rewards for being a hero

https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1529835589847027712

More kids have died from going to school than cops have from going to work

https://twitter.com/JP_1U/status/1529213380044668928

cops whine and bitch about risking their lives to defend people, and when a shooter shows up in what looks like (but isn't) body armor, they run & hide while a massacre unfolds. an unarmed teacher was brave enough to try.

https://twitter.com/revrrlewis/status/1529454699275075584

Uvalde police's own spokesman:

WATCH: Texas Police Spox on Live TV Confirmed Cops Went In for Their Own Kids During Uvalde Shooting

https://www.mediaite.com/news/watch-texas-police-spox-on-live-tv-confirmed-cops-went-in-for-their-own-kids-during-uvalde-shooting/

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u/just2commenthere May 27 '22

we've demonized law enforcement to the point that there are far fewer rewards for being a hero

Heroes don't save lives because of rewards. What the hell? The firefighters that walked up tens of flights of stairs at the twin towers didn't get fuck all after the fact. In fact, many of them got sick and were told it was all in their heads, weren't ever compensated for their medical bills, fucking rewards? What "fewer rewards" are we talking about here?

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u/dooneandrew May 27 '22 Silver All-Seeing Upvote

How can he say they didnt know where the shooter was at and then say they were able to contain him in that classroom in the same breath? So you did know where he was at.....

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u/cbrown6305 May 27 '22

Also how can he say the policy is to eliminate the threat immediately, then say they did the right thing in "containing" the shooter in the same breath. That's two contradictions in a one minute response.

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u/Ai2Foom May 27 '22

Also lying thru his teeth about the dude being contained to one classroom — how the fuck would you know that outside the building

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u/greatunknownpub May 27 '22

Also lying thru his teeth

If a cop is speaking, this is usually the case.

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u/Fedora67 May 27 '22

Every moment not pressing the shooters attention allowed him to shoot more kids. How the f**k can they justify officer safety over childrens lives???

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u/meco03211 May 27 '22

Well you see, they got their own children out.

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u/Tesseract14 May 27 '22

I honestly thought that was some over the top conspiracy bullshit until I saw the video of an actual officer fucking admitting that they did that. Absolutely mind blowing.

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u/lumpy4square May 27 '22

I can see going in, no matter who you are, to get your kid. But to leave the other kids there??? Do you wave "bye" on the way out to the kids and teachers left behind?! This story gets worse and worse as new information unfolds.

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u/myfaceaplaceforwomen May 27 '22

Didn't you know their lives are what's important, not the children that were slaughtered /s

The Supreme Court ruled that it is not their job to protect citizens

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u/Diggitydave76 May 27 '22

No you're wrong, THEIR KIDS lives were plenty important, just not all the other parents who they were too busy keeping outside and lying to.

They should be forced to remove protect and serve off of the side of their vehicles.

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u/Al_Tilly_the_Bum May 27 '22

Not only that but they admitted that there were 4 classrooms the shooter killed children in. So they are lying about having him contained

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u/roscocoltrane May 27 '22

"Wait.... we have a new version of our story"

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u/inconvenientnews May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22 Silver Gold Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Mind Blown

They're trained on this nationally

This is a much bigger problem in America than we realize because Republicans use "thank our heroes" conservative culture wars "guns and gays" politics and "control the narrative" tactics, the police department control of local news dependent for access, the camera footage evidence (getting caught deleting camera footage again or released after 3 years or released immediately if it helps police), the "law and order" politicians, the arrests ("black and white Americans use cannabis at similar levels" but black Americans are 800% more likely to get punished for it and even after legalization), the statistics themselves (how the police stop better crime statistics "FBI may shut down police use-of-force database due to lack of police participation or how they block their own domestic violence research showing "400% higher in the law-enforcement community")

Full CBS4 news report: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJ5f1JMKns

Even though LA is one of the safest cities in America (chart of national crime data): 67 full-time police employees just to push negative talking points on Fox News about a city they don't even live in but "serve"

The LAPD and LA Sheriff together have 67 full-time employees working on PR and propaganda. People don't realize that they spend a lot of money and time to plant these stories:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-30/police-public-relations https://twitter.com/equalityAlec/status/1470790952558243848 https://twitter.com/equalityAlec/status/1484966547244433416

"A day with 'killology' police trainer Dave Grossman"

This is the guy who has trained more U.S. police officers than anyone else. The guy who, more than anyone else, has instructed cops on what mind-set they should bring to their jobs.

Grossman at one point tells his students that the sex they have after they kill another human being will be the best sex of their lives. The room chuckles. But he’s clearly serious. “Both partners are very invested in some very intense sex,” he says. “There’s not a whole lot of perks that come with this job. You find one, relax and enjoy it.”

Schatz isn’t the first reporter to attend one of these classes. Bloomberg’s Peter Robison attended one in 2015, taught by Grossman’s colleague Glennon. Here’s a particularly vivid passage from Robison’s account:

Before proceeding, Glennon points to a threat in the back of the room: me. “In 35 years, we have not allowed the press to come into a class,” he says. “The reason is because we don’t trust them.” He says he’s letting me observe because many police chiefs are frustrated no one is advocating for them. They’re tired of being portrayed in the media as racists and unaccountable killers and want a more sympathetic depiction. If my article screws them, he tells the class with a smile, “I’ll fly out to Seattle”—where I live—“and kill him.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2017/02/14/a-day-with-killology-police-trainer-dave-grossman/

More Texas police abuse recently: https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/uqupiz/you_dont_need_to_be_human_to_have_a_sense_of_mercy/i8txcza/

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u/Condawg May 27 '22

Grossman at one point tells his students that the sex they have after they kill another human being will be the best sex of their lives. The room chuckles. But he’s clearly serious. “Both partners are very invested in some very intense sex,” he says. “There’s not a whole lot of perks that come with this job. You find one, relax and enjoy it.”

Holy shit, what a fucking psychopath. It's horrifying that this is how our cops are being taught.

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u/Frostloss May 27 '22

That's literal serial killer talk. A common trait among serial killers is the act of murder causing a feeling of sexual gratification.

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u/ilovetopoopie May 27 '22

And he's passing that kink on down the line.

Cops wouldn't feel that way if they were held accountable. For anything.

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u/Enough-Ad1242 May 27 '22

This fucking guy gets it. Does anyone actually know how easy it is to get away with murder. 98% OF MURDERS that happen from over 100 yards are never solved.

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u/NaughtSleeping May 27 '22

Basically he was contained inside the school. So other than the little kids and teachers in the school, no one else was likely to be killed. Unless he went out a back door or something, I guess.

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u/MR_COOL_ICE_ May 27 '22

And to add to this, contain an active shooter inside a classroom of defenseless kids...wow, just wow

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u/loercase May 27 '22

He went to four different classrooms, shooting, before locking himself in one with a whole bunch of students and their teacher.

"We contained him in one of the classrooms." -- Uvalde PD

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u/Driftedryan May 27 '22

Can't even contain their own story

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u/DiffractionCloud May 27 '22

And that when border patrol, the guy who killed the shooter, had to wait to get a key. Meaning the cops didnt even try to open the door.

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u/IthacanPenny May 27 '22

It’s………. not great when fucking ICE are the “good guys”. Ugh.

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u/InVodkaVeritas May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

Border Patrol is what we expect of police: most of what they do is ugly and protest worthy, but in a dangerous situation like confronting drug cartels in a gunfight they take care of business.

We expect the same of police, turning a blind eye to their trampling of civil liberties with an "at least when there is a dangerous situation we have someone to take care of it."

Only in this case the police proved themselves cowards and Border Patrol had to do their job for them.

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u/dooneandrew May 27 '22

Exactly, poor choice having that guy do the interview.

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u/co_ordinator May 27 '22

I think there is a chance that he is the best they have.

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u/voodoo_chile_please May 27 '22

They don’t know where the gunman is, but they heard and were receiving gunshots? This wasn’t a sniper in the Vietnam jungles. Pretty sure you should know where the gunman is.

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u/ThiccSkull May 27 '22

According to a girl a classroom across, cops tried to follow him in, stopped at the front door, a few shots were exchanged and said ~ ' put the gun down ' and the shooter said 'please leave me alone' ...and the cops retreated behind their vehicles...GMA had some footage of them backing up to their cars

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u/Big-Sherbert2511 May 27 '22

They were running back like cowards with their armor on.

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u/Ass_Pirate_69 May 27 '22

You mean to tell me all this bravado about cops being brave is horseshit? Turns out that thin blue line is pretty fucking thin. Fucking pussies.

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u/Big-Sherbert2511 May 27 '22

Apparently in dangerous situations that blue line turns yellow very fast. These bitches would still be waiting outside today if it wasn't for the Border Patrol.

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u/Locke57 May 27 '22

“Please leave me alone”

Works for armed gunmen in an elementary school. Doesn’t work as well for an unarmed innocent walking home from the 7-11. ACAB

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u/diverareyouok May 27 '22

Except they didn’t. Now we are being told that he had access to four classrooms for the majority of the time. At least, that was what a reporter on CNBC said earlier on a clip I saw.

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u/ThinkIcouldTakeHim May 27 '22

And he killed people in four different class rooms so Toy Rogers there is just spewing nonsense on the fly

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u/somnum_osseus May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

Frustratingly pro-gun GOP nuts are using the police incompetence and inconsistencies in their stories as an excuse to call this whole thing a false flag operation by the CIA to turn everyone woke or some shit.

And they believe it because the "facts and timeline don't make sense." Yeah, they don't make sense because the police tried to cover their ass by constantly changing the timeline, you morons.

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u/designdesigndesign11 May 27 '22

Oh god the full clip is so much worse than “they could have been shot”. I don’t know how Wolf stays expressionless.

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u/One-Influence-4803 May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

Officer being interviewed: "So they were able to contain the shooter in one classroom"....

TO KILL 21 PEOPLE!!!

This cop is utter trash.

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u/whit1and May 27 '22

They didn’t even contain him. The shooter contained himself

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u/leftlegYup May 27 '22

"How many gunmen?"

"One."

"Do we know where he is?"

"He's in a classroom"

"Just one?"

"Yes sir."

"Got it. See the game last night?"

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u/Shinhan May 27 '22

I mean he visited 4 different classrooms, but he was never in more than 1 classroom at a time.

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u/Vsx May 27 '22

Sounds like he was successfully contained in a single classroom at least four times and at other times contained in a single hallway. This is even more containment than previously reported. What a huge success for this police department.

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u/breakupbydefault May 27 '22

Fucking hell. If he really meant what he said (at this point they keep changing the story so who knows), he is basically saying that they contained the shooter in that classroom, which meant they made a decision to basically sacrifice the students in that classroom to save others??

They can keep twisting the stories and try to wiggle out of this but however you see it, they have no excuse and everything they try to say just makes them look worse and worse.

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u/runfly24 May 27 '22

He’s full of shit. How can you simultaneously “not know where the killer is” and “contain him to one classroom”?

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u/ThinkIcouldTakeHim May 27 '22

Plus in reality he killed kids in 4 classrooms

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u/Phatferd May 27 '22 All-Seeing Upvote Rocket Like

This cop talks in circles in every single interview. He's also not articulate at all.

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u/By_Design_ May 27 '22 Faith In Humanity Restored

This guy is one or two interviews away from saying, "those 4th graders know what they signed up for"

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u/InVodkaVeritas May 27 '22

His argument in this video is literally:

"The shooter was contained in part of the building and shooting kids, cops didn't rush in because if the shooter killed them he could have made it to more parts of the building and killed more than the kids trapped with him."

Aka

"The kids trapped with him were deemed a sacrifice to die by the police and not worth the risk of saving."

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u/ItsMeJahead May 27 '22 Wholesome

Its worse imo, he said they didnt go in because they didnt know where he was and then said they didnt go in because they knew where he was and didn't want him to go anywhere else.

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u/ninjadogs84 May 27 '22

They also went in and yelled for kids to come out BEFORE they had secured the shooter.

At least 1 kid died because of it.

ALL of those cops need to lose their jobs and I don't say this lightly, some need to be put up on Gros negligence resulting in death charges.

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u/cjmar41 May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

Yeah he also said by the time the cops showed up the shooting had stopped. But then said there was shooting and that’s why they couldn’t go in.

This is the worst PR botch job I’ve ever seen. I guess when this dude was elected or appointed they could never have imagined national attention would be on him. He does deserve every ounce of criticism they’re getting though.

But if I were the mayor of that town, or the Governor, or someone in a position of authority there and knew my sheriff was a bumbling box of rocks with the IQ of a wet fart I’d have brought in a PR firm or some sort of crisis team.

But I guess that’s probably why I don’t live in Yeehaw, Texas and dress in a child’s Halloween costume for work.

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u/Llamathrust May 27 '22

And apparently even that was a lie because the cops told a kid to shout out in a room and then the shooter went in there and killed her. So how exactly did they have him contained?

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u/MaximaBlink May 27 '22

Police? Lie to defend their failures?

Nooooooooo

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u/Chaoticgoodgrrl May 27 '22

It’s similar to Laura Ingraham’s (Fox News) guest, Andrew Pollack (a parent of a Parkland victim), placing the responsibility of dying children on the parents who “choose” to send their children to public schools. Laura Ingraham stated that Andrew is “exactly right.” What is wrong with these people?

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u/NaughtSleeping May 27 '22

Wait, what? His own daughter died, and he's placing the blame on himself for choosing to send her to school?

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u/Superduperdoop May 27 '22 Gold This To The Stars

They are trying to dismantle to public education system completely. Destroying trust in the safety of public schools, putting armed guards or national guard in front of schools and metal detectors while systematically underfunding schools is to erode trust in the institution so people either don't get educated or have to pay for private school.

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u/Reasonable_Thinker May 27 '22 All-Seeing Upvote This

so people either don't get educated or have to pay for private CHRISTIAN school

Fixed it for you.... one of the things that I think is not talked about enough is that this is a drive to get kids to private christian schools so they can force the kids to pray

That is the entire reason behind charter schools and school choice, all a way for religious types to get the government to pay for their indoctrination

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u/shoutfree May 27 '22

yeah, the dude parlayed the murder of his daughter into far right grifting. can't let an opportunity to shit on public schools go to waste

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u/inconvenientnews May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22 Silver This

They're trained on this nationally to push talking points like these

Even though LA is one of the safest cities in America (chart of national crime data): 67 full-time police employees just to push negative talking points on Fox News about a city they don't even live in but "serve"

The LAPD and LA Sheriff together have 67 full-time employees working on PR and propaganda. People don't realize that they spend a lot of money and time to plant these stories:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-30/police-public-relations https://twitter.com/equalityAlec/status/1470790952558243848 https://twitter.com/equalityAlec/status/1484966547244433416

"LA crime talking points" Fox News using a "serial killer" LAPD officer with actual Nazi social media to argue for increasing police funding and that LA is bad and he's paid by LA taxpayers while bragging he doesn't live in LA  ̄_(ツ)_/ ̄

Just the single local police department of SFPD has a team of full-time employees who work on "counterinsurgency communications" to push bad San Francisco talking points, while the other SFPD full-time employees watch crime and laugh while doing nothing https://www.reddit.com/r/sanfrancisco/comments/r16sn1/san_francisco_police_just_watch_as_burglary/

Police departments even employ full-time employees to brigade Reddit and push "local crime" talking points about the Democratic cities they hate and don't live in and videos of cute police dogs

A day with 'killology' police trainer Dave Grossman

This is the guy who has trained more U.S. police officers than anyone else. The guy who, more than anyone else, has instructed cops on what mind-set they should bring to their jobs.

Grossman at one point tells his students that the sex they have after they kill another human being will be the best sex of their lives. The room chuckles. But he’s clearly serious. “Both partners are very invested in some very intense sex,” he says. “There’s not a whole lot of perks that come with this job. You find one, relax and enjoy it.”

Schatz isn’t the first reporter to attend one of these classes. Bloomberg’s Peter Robison attended one in 2015, taught by Grossman’s colleague Glennon. Here’s a particularly vivid passage from Robison’s account:

Before proceeding, Glennon points to a threat in the back of the room: me. “In 35 years, we have not allowed the press to come into a class,” he says. “The reason is because we don’t trust them.” He says he’s letting me observe because many police chiefs are frustrated no one is advocating for them. They’re tired of being portrayed in the media as racists and unaccountable killers and want a more sympathetic depiction. If my article screws them, he tells the class with a smile, “I’ll fly out to Seattle”—where I live—“and kill him.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2017/02/14/a-day-with-killology-police-trainer-dave-grossman/

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u/AmericanWasted May 27 '22

they were also trained to address a school shooter but i guess that was less important

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u/inconvenientnews May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22 Helpful

dogswithjobs has a moderator who brags about posting police propaganda:

On one post of a kissing police dog titled "Police dog do a kith" one of his comments about police brutality commenters on his posts: "This is actually a bait post so we can more effectively deal with them in the future"

SFPD text messages where they brag about not living in the cities they "serve":

SFPD police officers exchanged racist, sexist and homophobic text messages — calling African Americans “monkeys” and encouraging the killing of “half-breeds,” among other slurs

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/SFPD-s-texting-scandal-Court-rules-officers-12955853.php

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u/REHTONA_YRT May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Take My Energy Starry

Stolen from another post

Edit: Original commenter

Thank you u/reydeguitarra

It gets worse:

A mom of two children at Uvalde was put in handcuffs after urging police and law enforcement to enter the school.

Once freed from her cuffs, she jumped the school fence, ran inside and sprinted out with her kids.

New from @WSJ

https://www.wsj.com/articles/uvalde-residents-voice-frustration-over-shooting-response-11653588161

Cops stood outside the school while the killer rampaged inside.

Onlookers yelled at them to go in. They didn’t.

One parent urged bystanders: “Let’s just rush in because the cops aren’t doing anything like they are supposed to.”

Spoiler: that parent’s daughter died in the attack while he was begging cops to save the kids.

My God.

https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683 https://twitter.com/AndySpecht/status/1529643462953521153

The Uvalde shooter was killed by a federal officer because the other police officers kept waiting for more and more backup

https://www.wsj.com/articles/suspected-shooter-at-texas-elementary-school-in-custody-after-incident-11653422735

At least one additional kid died directly because the cops were incompetent. “When the cops came, the cop said: 'Yell if you need help!' And one of the persons in my class said 'help.'

The [shooter] overheard and he came in and shot her," the boy said.

https://www.kens5.com/article/news/special-reports/uvalde-school-shooting/its-time-to-die-fourth-grade-survivor-uvalde-shooting-recalls-what-gunman-told-student/273-51cc4e26-7a0a-49c0-ba7a-48cdd47fa235 https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1529708434995683329

Uvalde is a town of just 16,000 people. But it apparently has a SWAT team.

We’re regularly told small towns need SWAT teams so they can quickly respond to events just like this. The killer was in the building for an hour.

Photo op of SWAT team: https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1529679652154920960

The school district for Robb Elementary has its own police department with 5 cops and 1 security guard. The city of Uvalde's police department recieved just under 40% of the entire city's budget for the year and got a 500k grant from the state. Neither stopped today's massacre.

https://twitter.com/NeeNeinNyetNo/status/1529220708601151491

More kids have died from going to school than cops have from going to work

https://twitter.com/JP_1U/status/1529213380044668928

Cops will only do their job when the public stops criticizing them for murdering unarmed people.

@JackPosobiec I'm not defending the actions of the officers. But we've demonized law enforcement to the point that there are far fewer rewards for being a hero

https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1529835589847027712

cops whine and bitch about risking their lives to defend people, and when a shooter shows up in what looks like (but isn't) body armor, they run & hide while a massacre unfolds. an unarmed teacher was brave enough to try.

https://twitter.com/revrrlewis/status/1529454699275075584

There’s a common mythology in law enforcement, pushed by quack groups like the Force Science Institute, that police ofticers’ memories improve over time. It contradicts all the scientific research and, oddly, apparently does not apply to non-police.

https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1529946586058571794

Police lied about the timeline.

They lied about shooter having body armor.

They lied about him being barricaded.

They lied about border patrol on-scene.

They went in and got their own kids.

The armed resource officer failed.

Local PD/DPS/tactical PD waited for SWAT.

https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1529819943608496128

Now the police are investigating themselves to tell us whether letting the school shooter in for an hour while keeping parents from saving their own children’s lives was a policy violation.

https://twitter.com/samswey/status/1529863659677048836

One of the greatest culture shocks when I arrived in the U.S. was the blind veneration of police. After years and years of living here and reading about this country, I now realize that it's the structural pillar of white supremacy.

https://twitter.com/EmilKerenji/status/1529789802551427073

My town has announced that in light of yesterday's tragedy there will be an increased police presence at the schools. As a black father I now have two potential threats to be concerned over.

https://twitter.com/ShanePaulNeil/status/1529436129061224449

Again - the police will continue to change their story until they find the one white people will accept. Don't fall for it. Parents were on the scene - teachers were there. Talk to WITNESSES NOT THE POLICE.

https://twitter.com/LeslieMac/status/1529909067782705153

This is a much bigger problem in America than we realize because Republicans use conservative culture wars "guns and gays" politics and "control the narrative" tactics, the police department control of local news dependent for access, the camera footage evidence (getting caught deleting camera footage again or after 3 years or released immediately if it helps police), the "law and order" politicians, the arrests ("black and white Americans use cannabis at similar levels" but black Americans are 800% more likely to get punished for it and even after legalization), the statistics themselves (see how the police stop better crime statistics "FBI may shut down police use-of-force database due to lack of police participation or how they block their own domestic violence research showing "400% higher in the law-enforcement community")

More examples from r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut:

The LAPD and LA Sheriff together have 67 full-time employees working on PR and propaganda. People don't realize that they spend a lot of money and time to plant these stories:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-30/police-public-relations

https://twitter.com/equalityAlec/status/1470790952558243848

https://twitter.com/equalityAlec/status/1484966547244433416

Full CBS4 news report: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJ5f1JMKns

Just Texas recently:

Texas examples: https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/uy57my/damn/ia3b2r7/

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u/Toffeemanstan May 27 '22

This was the other type of SWAT Stand Wait And Talk

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u/Sinujutsu May 27 '22

Obligatory FUCK Dave Grossman

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u/Deep90 May 27 '22

Why do you think they so badly want teachers to start carrying?

It would push all the blame off politicians and police onto them.

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u/marcustwayne May 27 '22 Starry

"The American people need to understand, if we went in there sooner while not knowing the exact position of the shooter, he may have killed some law enforcement officers in addition to children. Thankfully, the way we handled it, the shooter was only able to murder less than a few dozen children and 0 law enforcement officers. From our point of view, that's a small victory."

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u/ForElise47 May 27 '22

I'm at work so I can't listen to the clip. But please tell me he did not actually say this.

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u/Professional_Face_97 May 27 '22

That's unfortunately the gist of it, contradicts himself too by saying it wasn't safe because they didn't know where he was but they saved the day by containing him inside a classroom.

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u/GrowDaddy May 27 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

He's a 'fast talker' who has probably gotten by by talking over people who can't call him on his bullshit.

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u/inconvenientnews May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

For me, it's what these PublicFreakout comments on another post pointed out:

Idk why but the cowboy hats somehow make it worse

Well, cowards LARPing as Old West gunslingers are pretty fucking cringe.

This is it for me man. All that Texas shit talk they always do and these pussies wouldn’t even go in, except for their own kids.

They always say “don’t mess with Texas” as if anyone should be frightened of a bunch of diabetic hillbillies whose favorite pastimes include freezing to death and getting covid.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/uyn0a5/uvalde_police_lying_to_public_painting_themselves/ia5m9f2/

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u/automotivewriter May 27 '22

Seriously, I know a few folks from Texas who are BIG talkers, but that's about it. One guy I know is on Meal Team Six and full Qanon. He brags about being from El Paso and talks about how tough Texans are all the time, it's his whole personality. Someone stole his mountain bike out of his truck one day and he recorded a 10 minute crying screed he posted on Facebook about how he'll murder whoever did it. He went out and bought a new identical bike, then posted a second video telling his 50 facebook followers - most of which knew he just bought a new bike - that he had to fight a bunch of "mexican cartel bitches" to get his bike back.

Another Texan I know is always posting anti-mask stuff, and his gf posts videos of him on TikTok wearing a mask and telling people to step away when they get too close to him in the store. He found out she was posting the stuff making fun of him and he posted a video of himself smashing out the windows of her car while she was at work.

Both of the dudes above are over 40, have kids, and live with their parents.

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u/Envect May 27 '22

Both of the dudes above are over 40, have kids, and live with their parents.

Oof. Those poor kids.

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u/brandolinium May 27 '22

These are great.

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u/RowBoatCop36 May 27 '22

He's in over his head. He's legitimately a few tough questions away from walking away from this situation.

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u/AntJustin May 27 '22

Hey shit fuck. The children had no clue either. Neither did the teachers. All of which were braver than your force. I can't look at this guy, he makes me sick.

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u/lonabirdie May 27 '22

the worst part is, i would operate way differently in an active shooter scenario where i was protecting children if i knew the cops weren't coming in vs expecting to be rescued any second

how many ppl had chances they could've taken but were like... the cops are gonna bust in any second, let me not do something stupid that might get me or these kids shot..

if they knew the cops were too scared to come in, they might have done more to stop him tbh

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u/PackageintheMaleBox May 27 '22 Platinum

Run - Hide - Fight.

Those are the three words you should remember in an emergency. Run from the danger. If you can't run, hide. If you can't hide, fight.

School shooting drills break the first rule of survival under the wrong assumption that someone is coming to save you. They are not.

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u/Syrax65 May 28 '22

Literally our FEMA certification training.

Have a way to run - take it.

In an office or any closed room, close lock, turn off the lights, etc. Consider only in dire circumstances of throwing something through a window (if possible to escape)

Intruder comes through the door, you fight like hell.

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u/jerkerlurker May 27 '22

And that stupid hat. I want to smack him.

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u/suddenlycumbly May 27 '22

The fucking hat. They just want to play cowboy cops, but like pretend. Total shit fucks.

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u/LetThemEatKoch May 27 '22 Gold Wholesome Take My Energy

Imagine if the fire department decided not to put out a fire because they might get burned. These cops are nothing but cowards who don't give a damn about anyone but themselves.

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u/LetThemEatKoch May 27 '22

Absolutely.

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u/jericdgutierrez May 27 '22

I just find it funny how people give fast food workers so much shit if they get an order wrong or take too much time, but when it comes to these cops, now all of a sudden they wanna pull the "their jobs are hard" card. Why do we live in a world where a fucking part time worker at McDonald's is held to a higher standard than the fucking police?

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u/Late-Opinion-4873 May 27 '22

If you are too afraid to potentially risk your life to save children, DONT BE A COP. Be an accountant. What a bunch of cowards. They could have simply outnumbered the gunman, but they would rather let people die to preserve their own safety. "better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6" is their motto.

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u/PM_ME_YELLOW May 27 '22

But im not smart enough to be an accountant! What am I supposed to do work fast food and be poor like the rest of you? They wont let me drink on the job at mcdonalds.

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u/you-ole-polecat May 27 '22

>DONT BE A COP. Be an accountant.

But what if I want to only have a high school education and still make upwards of six-figures in a job that only requires a couple of months' training, doesn't require me to be accountable for my actions, and has the best possible setup for job security? What then??

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u/appsecSme May 27 '22

There are actually plenty of more dangerous jobs, including food delivery, logging, fishing, farming.

Most police injuries and deaths are due to car accidents, and that is mainly because most of them spend their days driving around.

They want you to believe that it is an incredibly dangerous job, but it isn't.

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u/Semi-Hemi-Demigod May 27 '22

More cops died in 2020 from COVID than for any other reason, and there was no group of first responders more vehemently against mask and vaccine mandates than cops.

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u/LuckyPlaze May 27 '22

C O W A R D S

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u/SomedayWeDie May 27 '22

COWARDS. These cops literally made a terrible situation worse. They should be fired and charged with child endangerment and negligent homicide.

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u/AZORxAHAI May 27 '22

I guarantee you if you took the equipment off one of those LARPing cops and ran up to the average Firefighter with it and told them kids were actively being slaughtered, they would take it and immediately go try to save those kids.

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u/somnum_osseus May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

They really don't care at all. The US police has always been an inheretly militarised organisation that employs ultimate control over the weak or disadvantaged as a means to ride an egotistical power trip and minimise their own personal risk.

That's why they have no problem murdering lone, defenseless people in the street but can't cope with subduing an armed guy shooting children.

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u/LetThemEatKoch May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22 Gold

Maybe dispatch should have described the shooter as an unarmed black male who is dressed up as a white guy with a gun. Then the cops would be spartan kicking down doors and barrel rolling through glass windows to find him.

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u/HGpennypacker May 27 '22

"Dispatch we have an unidentified black male entering a grade school with LGBT books attempting to kneel during the national anthem, also reports that suspect was last seen filling out dozens of fraudulent mail-in ballots."

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u/HAL-Over-9001 May 27 '22

They would just carpet bomb the entire school at that point.

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u/surgeryboy7 May 27 '22

Exactly. I seem to remember a bunch of Fire Fighters running into a couple buildings that just got hit by planes to try and rescue adult strangers, but these cops can't engage an 18yo for an hour while he is shooting 10yo kids?

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u/chefasfuck May 27 '22

That's what you signed up for.

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u/Erlula May 27 '22 This

They all have their nice house in a nice area, they have their giant truck, their boat and an outdoor barbecue kitchen. That’s what they signed up for.

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u/johntwoods May 27 '22

Man, this is so accurate.

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u/YellowFishPancakes May 27 '22

It really is. I was always curious why I saw cop cars in my neighborhood for other cities. I never understood why they didn't want to live in the city that's plastered on their car.

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u/Taco_Champ May 27 '22

You can’t treat people like shit if they know where you live.

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u/sceaga_genesis May 27 '22

I remember hearing about this in policing debates in Syracuse, NY. Not only are these cops not a part of the community they are policing, but by the sheer number of out-of-town cops, constituents argued that they were basically stealing a significant amount of tax dollars from the community. Those dollars end up going to wealthier communities that don’t need them, creating this tragic loop of more police in and more taxes out.

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u/RedditorFor1OYears May 27 '22

This is also a major contributing factor to systemic racism in police departments. If you grew up in a particular urban area with a lot of real violent crime, you might not be so quick to resort to violence for somebody smoking a joint or passing counterfeit bills.

But if your whole world has been suburbs and baptists churches 45 minutes away from real threats, you inherently see any kind of lifestyle different from yours as more threatening.

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u/NoFaithlessness4949 May 27 '22

You can have this too if you’d only join the union the police union helped break when your grandpa tried to join

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u/Andabagofchipsss May 27 '22

They did what they needed to to “get home at the end of the day”

That’s their motto.

They feel slightly intimidated, they’ll blast an unarmed guy.

There’s a guy with a gun endangering the public?

Can’t expect them to to act quickly, they going to do whatever it takes to get home at the end of the day. If that means wait an hour for off-duty special forces then that’s what happens.

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u/ithinkitwasmygrandma May 27 '22

Jesus - I just watched it again.

I'm paraphrasing but...

"They don't know where the gunman is, it's dangerous for them to go in and not know and get shot"

Followed by

"They were able to contain him and keep him in the classroom."

In the same breath. Which one dude? Scared because they didn't know where he was for an hour or they knew where he was for an hour and still did shit all.

This guy.

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u/breezyfye May 27 '22

If you’re not willing to die to actually protect your community, then you shouldn’t be a police officer.

Amazon is hiring.

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u/Mymothersmokes May 27 '22

So is McDonald's 😄

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u/IM_S0_HIGH_RIGHT_N0W May 27 '22

This guy went from complete nobody to America's most hated man in one day.

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u/badassito May 27 '22

"We might have been shot"

That's... Kinda the point isn't it. Doctors don't wait outside the operating room because they might get sick. Fire fighters don't wait around because they might get burned. Rescue teams don't stay on the trails because they might get lost.

~of course there's cases where doctors have to wait. Or the fire is too harsh for them to go in. But this was one dude, not a gang with a SAW.

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u/Kemerd May 27 '22

"We might have been shot"

This is the thing that kills me.. you might have been shot.. but what about the children, actively getting shot? Actually getting shot? Jesus christ, man..

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u/mgweir May 27 '22 Silver

"The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun." Unless the good guys are a bunch of incompetent pussies.

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u/clipples18 May 27 '22

There were no good guys to be found

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u/Zaphod1620 May 27 '22

There were, the cops were tasing and cuffing them when they tried to go in to save their kids.

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u/BlackeeGreen May 27 '22

Just a bunch of fucking pussies LARPing with guns. "Thin blue line" my ass.

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u/Alime1962 May 27 '22

There were a few, but none on Uvalde PD. The Border Patrol agent who got a text during a haircut from his wife who is a teacher there, grabbed his barbers shotgun, sped 40 miles to the scene where he met with other members of his BORTAC team and made entry should be considered a good guy.

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u/phenerganandpoprocks May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

I mean, we can just go for the low hanging fruit here: those cops were not “good guys”.

They cosplay as a high speed low drag operators for the free donuts. They scammed their town into paying 40% of their budget for those fucking cowards to “defend” them.

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u/10Lbpussy May 27 '22

These texas cops are making a better argument for defunding the police than the left ever could... with their fucking cowardice

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u/MakesCakesEatsMud May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

And yet yesterday I saw someone on the side of the road who appeared to be having some sort of mental or emotional distress. In the past I might have called 911 to get a police officer to do some sort of welfare check, but I knew that if the police showed up it was at least 50-50 chance they were going to ruin that person's day that was already incredibly crummy and a small chance they would ruin that person's life. If there was somebody I could call capable of interacting with a stranger in public who is in distress without bringing deadly force into it, I would have called them.

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u/jj_harmon May 27 '22 Starstruck

If folks had any doubt, as to what the actual goals of a police officer are, there should be none now. The motherfukers don't care about you or your family. They care about them and theirs.

One of these motherfuckers gets killed in the line of duty, and they give him a funeral that's worthy of a hero veteran who took on an entire Army by himself. Taxpayers footing the OT bill for LE to attend funerals of 'fallen officers', hundreds or thousands of miles away is a sham!

This hero worship of these fucks has got to stop. Now come at me!

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u/kevin9er May 27 '22

The hero worship really started on 9/11. When the EMTs and FDNY acted incredibly. What did the cops do? Is this stolen valor playing out over 21 years?

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u/jj_harmon May 27 '22

Yes it is.

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

THIS. Fucking cops man, they just suck at everything

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u/MsWumpkins May 27 '22

These cops need to step back, stop doing interviews, and reevaluate wtf happened. I hope those parents are being contacted by good lawyers in the mean time.

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u/BigFudgeMMA May 27 '22

The lawyers might be great, but no amount of money could ever replace what has been lost.

Jesus, the anguish these parents must be feeling. I literally think my heart would just stop.

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u/ThortheThodThutcher May 27 '22

For the husband of one of the dead teachers, it did.

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u/ribbons_undone May 27 '22

He died of a broken heart :(

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u/VNM0601 May 27 '22

Doubling down on their own bullshit is what they're good at.

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u/Austinjenkins420 May 27 '22

I thought Texans were tough cowboys 🤣 more like a bunch of pussies with fragile masculinity. Fucking waste of air..

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u/GrowDaddy May 27 '22

tl;dr: We've being paying them to dress up and cosplay as 'first responders', but when the chips are down the fold like any bully.

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u/WoodlandSteel May 27 '22

Pussies. Fuck the Police. I’ve breached and cleared countless rooms in the military in an active war zone, they’d be nothing from stopping me from doing it if my kids were in harms way.

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u/Sempais_nutrients May 27 '22

they’d be nothing from stopping me from doing it if my kids were in harms way.

a parent tried to do this and the police tazed and handcuffed her.

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u/Jeru1226 May 27 '22

It always pisses me the fuck off when cops justify police brutality by complaining about how dangerous their jobs are.

Like fuck, soldiers and firefighters seem to be able to deal with the dangerous shit they sign up for. I appreciate competent professionals like you who do dangerous work taking the piss out of cowardly cops. Someone who knows about how to handle dangerous situations and active shooter situations has to call these assholes out on their cowardice.

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u/zix_nefarious May 27 '22

Texas police. The biggest chicken-shits in the world.

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u/Intelligent-Guess86 May 27 '22

But they’re so macho with their fucking cowboy hats. All of them have to make sure that those look pristine for their inflated interviews.

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u/SoupWithinSoup May 27 '22

All hat and no cattle...

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u/GhostofMarat May 27 '22

What is up with the pristine hats? I actually own a stetson hat. It starts to look weathered and worn very quickly. They have to be scrubbing and ironing it every day to make it always look like it's fresh off the factory floor.

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u/Careless-Safe9396 May 27 '22

LoL he has a cowboy hat on

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u/FurryM17 May 27 '22

Cowboys. Known for their abundant caution and unwillingness to get into a gunfight.

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u/F3mb0yth1gh5 May 27 '22

Loved that part in "Big Iron" where the Arizona ranger waited just outside of Agua Fria and claimed Texas Red was contained in the saloon

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u/Mymothersmokes May 27 '22

Grown men playing dress up.

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u/Zeebuss May 27 '22

All hat no cattle

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u/weech May 27 '22

The irony is thick

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u/orangeandwhite May 27 '22

What a cowardice piece of scum. Did they read the job description before becoming a police officer??

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u/CindysandJuliesMom May 27 '22

I would have loved to use that excuse when I was in the military. Sorry Sir I can't do that, I might get shot.

It's your job and if you aren't willing to do it you need to get a different job.

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u/Revolutionary-Cup-31 May 27 '22 Gold Helpful (Pro)

Bitch ass pigs.

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u/BahamasRhonda May 27 '22

Why do we pay insane taxes for militarized police forces and SWAT teams and tactical vehicles if they aren't going to use them?

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u/Mymothersmokes May 27 '22

Oh they'll use them. Just not on anything that poses a major threat to them.

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u/FurryM17 May 27 '22

That's the thing. Having a cool gun, body armor and an armored vehicle is really fun until you're in a situation that actually requires those things to keep you from getting killed. Then it's all "I'm not going in there! He's shooting people!"

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u/Gilgameshbrah May 27 '22

Don't lie. They use them all the time on unarmed civilians and protestors.

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u/Astrian May 27 '22

"They do not know where the gunman is. They are hearing gunshots, they are receiving gunshots."

...So they do know where the gunman is then. How does a bunch of trained police officers hear and receive gunshots but not know where it's coming from.

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u/dolerbom May 27 '22

They effectively used children as human Shields. They only protected and served their own asses.

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u/Conflagreat May 27 '22

"He wasn't an innocent black kid without a weapon. What were we supposed to do?"

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u/TheCalebGuy May 27 '22

Weird how THE most gunniest of gun states dont have any training on if the gun is pointed their way and how to deal with it. Like criminals wont use guns for nefarious reasons or something. Wild.

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u/onlycatshere May 27 '22

They did have training. They trained an active shooter drill at this very school in March

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u/TheCalebGuy May 27 '22

Was it training or did everyone also stand around doing nothing?

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u/perfecthashbrowns May 27 '22

They trained to stand around for an hour while the piece of shit murdered children. And did you see their standing around skills!? Impeccable. Spot on. They really excelled.

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u/MrOwnageQc May 27 '22

They did have training. They trained an active shooter drill at this very school in March

You've gotta be fucking kidding me, right ?

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u/unaccomplishedyak May 27 '22

Ironic that the so called “Don’t Mess with Texas” is actually really easy to mess with.

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u/Bikinigirlout May 27 '22

So they let 20 kids get shot instead? Oh fuck off

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u/HeavyweightDoxxer May 27 '22

His whole statement boils down to “Id rather lose a classroom’s worth of kids than one cop”

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u/liquidthex May 27 '22

That's. The. Fucking. Job.

They bitch and moan all day about how their job is so dangerous and you should respect all cops because they put their lives on the line in incredibly dangerous situations to help you!

But they don't. They don't legally and they don't in practice.

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u/Master-Powers May 27 '22

"What the American people need to understand is I'm a big ol scaredy bitch and I wasn't gonna risk my life for no kids."

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u/L-Profe May 27 '22

Don’t mess with Texas! Unless you’re an 18 year old with two AR-15’s. Then Texas will do absolutely nothing. 🤠

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u/mk_brownie May 27 '22

What is the point of police?

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u/briizilla May 27 '22

To protect capital, enforce the will of the state and protect the interests of the 1%.

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u/Ai2Foom May 27 '22

Ding 🛎 ding 🛎 ding 🛎

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u/PM_ME_UR__UPVOTE May 27 '22

Apparently none. If police are not willing to save children then I fail to see any reason these pussies should still be around. They are a total failure to society.

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u/GunslingerOutForHire May 27 '22

Harassing and killing minorities and the poor. When confronted with a legitimate threat, they do what cowards do.

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u/WideBlock May 27 '22

what he is saying is that, if we let the gunman continue killing little kids, he want get the chance to kill us.

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u/ithinkitwasmygrandma May 27 '22

Uvalde police need to stop talking. Everytime they make a statement new info comes out that shows that statement to be false. With 40% of Uvalde budget going to the police, you'd think they'd use some of that money for a PR person who would tell them to STFU until the know things with certainty.

Of course, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that the PD is willing to tell the truth.

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u/JOHNSONBURGER May 27 '22

If the police didn't know where the gunman was, how did they contain him in a classroom?

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u/sadolddrunk May 27 '22

I don’t know why anyone at the Uvalde police department is still employed today.

I also don’t know why the Uvalde police department isn’t receiving shipments of dildos every day.

What I DO know is that we have power over one of those possibilities.

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u/Sufficient-Ad6637 May 27 '22

Fucking cowardice!