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2018 Las Vegas shooting: First responding officers wait frozen in fear directly one floor below the room where shooting is still taking place

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u/Previous_Location_64 May 27 '22 edited May 28 '22

This kinda reminds me of the Texas school shooting were the cops did nothing for an hour and the shooter was in the building

Edit:Rest In Peace for all the children who died from school shootings.

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u/Contemplatetheveiled Jun 01 '22

This is honestly nothing like the Texas school shooting. The police had to figure out where the shooting was coming from 700 yards and 32 floors away. They literally searched multiple buildings while evacuating thousands of people with lots of them being pinned down by fire. The Uvalde police stood outside of a classroom and listened to the occasional child having their face blown apart nd their brains splattered on their classmates while other children were on the phone whispering their pleas of help from inside to 911 dispatchers for an hour. The Las Vegas entry team can be criticized for the amount of time they took but they did take the shooters attention away from killing more people. The Uvalde police let their officers with kids inside go into the school and retrieve their own kids while essentially treating the others as a lost cause. In one case they could have done a better job, in the other case they actively did a bad job.

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u/EquivalentSnap May 29 '22

And the cop who got the kids to call out where they were and got a girl killed

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u/Previous_Location_64 May 30 '22

It was kinda stupid for the cops to tell someone or a student to say help so they can come rescue them even though, First the shooter is still in the building and second your orders as a police officer is to stop or eliminate the suspect before rescuing/ getting people to safety.

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u/Yourpenisstinks May 29 '22

It's a little different imo, pinpointing a shooter in a large area, especially in a large hotel with over 3,000 rooms at NIGHT is much more difficult than pinpointing a shooter that's literally barricaded in one room inside a school

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22 Faith In Humanity Restored Evil Cackle

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u/fidel__cashflo May 27 '22

so what the hell did they do for an hour? just wait and listen to him shoot at the crowd the whole time? It must’ve felt like an eternity sitting there. Fear in this scenario is obviously understandable, but so many lives could’ve been saved even if they distracted him by letting him know they were outside the door.

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u/Prior-Chip-6909 May 27 '22

so what the hell did they do for an hour? just wait and listen to him shoot at the crowd the whole time?

yes. that's exactly what they did.

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u/IDKMAN1119 May 27 '22

I don't know man I'm the biggest pussy but I think I would have atleadt shot at the door he was in just ran away as quickly as I could

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u/DexterBotwin May 27 '22

Yeah a couple of pop shots at the door (which in general is probably a terrible idea, but give the circumstances I dunno) would have likely distracted the gun man for a bit and prevented some of the shots taken. Or since he was intent on killing himself, may have expedited his decision making to do so.

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u/BlockinBlack May 27 '22

Thanks for showing the situational math adds up perfectly. If you square that by 'damned if you do... ' you get the square root of I can't fucking believe these guys can sleep at night.

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u/AffordableFirepower May 27 '22 Giggle

I can't fucking believe these guys can sleep at night

Many of them are alcoholics and/or gobbling opioids. That probably helps.

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u/Tulivu May 27 '22 All-Seeing Upvote Giggle Shocked

That's not fair. Not all cops process trauma through chemical dependency. Many beat their wives.

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u/suciac May 27 '22

And their dogs and children.

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u/baby_fart May 27 '22

Don't forget random citizens they pull over.

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u/jape-the-neck-guy May 27 '22

That’s not fair either. Not all cops beat their wives because of trauma. They do it cause they’re terrible people

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

It absolutely would have distracted him enough to have to relocate his base of fire to engage actual threats. If done correctly, seems like it could be fairly easy. Especially against some unhinged schizo with a slide fire stock.

These cops are cowards and deserve no praise whatsoever.

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u/Partyfavors680 May 27 '22

I genuinely have some sympathy for the security guards while they did sign up to be guards they did not sign up for this shit. The seemingly veteran cops on the other hand could have done at least something more to distract as people are saying. I know I wouldn't have been able to do it either but I'm also not a police officer.

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u/Guy_Incognito1970 May 27 '22

There was a hotel security guard solo that did engage through the door even after being shot. Not sure why this guard is pretty anonymous he’s the realest hero that night.

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

Chad if true. That dude fucks and I want to know his name.

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u/Guy_Incognito1970 May 27 '22

His name is Jesus Campos

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u/DistrictAdventurous3 May 27 '22

Guy was on the Ellen show, then disappeared after. I think he supposedly moved back to Mexico. Not 100% sure on that.

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u/FrvncisNotFound May 27 '22

Same. The fact that many of us have thought of doing at least something like this means that these police are literally LARPers and bullies. I’m sure they only act tough around people they know they can push around.

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

Because you’re a compassionate human, not a piece of shit coward state actor who doesn’t actually have a legal obligation to protect the public.

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u/Naturallog- May 27 '22

This is why we need to increase police funding, so they can buy cool tactical gear to wear while they wait around doing nothing.

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u/Cosmic_Prisoner May 27 '22

Don't forget to let them incorporate Punisher skull designs into it.

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u/SnazzyInPink May 27 '22 edited May 28 '22

Collect an hours worth of pay.

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u/theNomadicHacker42 May 27 '22

I don't get it..all that time? Why didn't a swat team just breach the door and toss in a hand gernade or two?

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u/krone_39 May 28 '22

Because God forbid they lose one of their own. Normal citizens however can die all they want

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u/JuBei9 May 27 '22

They only needed to distract him and run away.

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

Sit. Wait. Act Tough.

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u/ViviconsAdventures May 28 '22

Bout as much as the police did for the recent shooting in Texas. For police that do this for a living they sure are cowards. And yes I will be shit on for this but I do not fucking care anymore. This is your job, your choice. If you choose to do it fucking do it

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22 edited 29d ago

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u/fuknight May 27 '22 Eureka!

Good time to remind everyone that cops in the US are not legally obligated to protect civilians from criminals.

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u/bobby-spanks May 27 '22

My girlfriend is a teacher at an elementary school, and they train the teachers to protect the kids at all costs even if that means getting killed so they can escape. She said that if a shooter entered a classroom, they want teachers mindset to be “you’re in my classroom now, which means you’re mine and I’m gonna fucking kill you” and to fight with everything they got. I feel like my girlfriend would be shit out of luck as she’s only 5 feet tall.

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u/ra3ra31010 May 27 '22

Teachers were taught to barricade doors and stop gunshot wounds in Broward country Florida after Marjorie Stoneman

Horrible. They also only make about 45K a year…

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u/bobby-spanks May 27 '22

Yeah my girlfriend was trained to barricade also, but if the shooter gets in they want teachers to go feral. She just got a raise so she makes 40k

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u/An_Ethicist May 30 '22

it makes me so sad to think how little teachers are paid. they are so important.

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u/BikerJedi May 27 '22

Am teacher. In my county they teach the "Run, hide, fight." I'm a combat vet. I teach middle school, so some of the kids are big enough to take on an adult. I specifically tell them that they should all rush the shooter if they can't run or hide. These guys aren't trained killers who are going to stay calm under an assault by multiple people running at him, throwing things, yelling, etc until they can get in close.

Now, HOW FUCKING FUCKED UP IS IT I HAVE TO HAVE THIS FUCKING CONVERSATION WITH 12-14 YEARS OLDS?

Fucking Congress needs to fix this shit. And the Russian funded and corrupt NRA should be disbanded.

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u/Killzillah May 27 '22

Cops won't even confront a school shooter when they've got a 5x numbers advantage and full tactical gear.

A teacher is supposed to singlehandedly take out the shooter? Lol. Even if you give the teachers guns it won't help. They don't want guns and who would train them, the cowardly police?

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u/bobby-spanks May 27 '22

My point exactly. My girlfriend said she wants to be able to have a hand gun in her classroom in a safe or something, but knows nothing about guns. They have one police officer that patrols inside the her school, which is a big ass school, and she said she’s only seen him twice, and both times he was shoving a fat hot dog down his throat. I wonder what that cop would do during a shooting.

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u/BallKarr May 27 '22

Teachers with guns simply means jumpy teachers shooting students and students getting easy access to guns.

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u/philbert247 May 27 '22

If I were a teacher, I’d ask the administration to allow me to work strapped. I’m not a teacher because of every easily imaginable reason to include I couldn’t afford a nice gun to teach with. I also realize the absurdity of my comment, but this reality is absurdity.

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22 edited Jun 02 '22 Starry

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u/soulseeker31 May 27 '22

"Here, you gotta give your life and we'll pay you 5 bucks an hour and some chewing gum."

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u/herecomesmaggi May 27 '22

No, You gotta beat the shit out of working class and homeless people for that they get paid.

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u/Omnio89 May 27 '22 Take My Energy

With as useless as cops have proven themselves recently, teachers should already be making more, regardless of if they’re armed.

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u/Dblcut3 May 27 '22

I don’t actually trust teachers to use firearms safely and to keep them away from the students. Hell, you might end up causing more school shootings if a kid gets ahold of the teacher’s gun

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u/_NullPointerExcept_ May 27 '22

Not just teachers, the police can't seem to use their safely either.

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u/Beingabummer May 27 '22

It's almost... like the guns are the problem.

Huh.

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u/ricardothanos420 May 27 '22

Check out the big brain on Brett!

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u/Thiege227 May 27 '22

If you want teachers to double as LEO, you better double their salary and train them to be LEO

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u/Yourfurryfriend2 May 27 '22

Somehow this isn't absurd at all

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u/Campeador May 27 '22

I hope she would go rambo on a mother fucker. I hope everyone, when confronted with a threat like a shooter, would turn into a violent rage monster, but it's sad that it's come to this. Teachers should only be responsible for educating kids, not keeping them alive.

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u/PuchLight May 27 '22

It's also a problem that officers in the US only get 21 weeks of training on average, which is among the lowest in the world:

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/2048/cpsprodpb/59AD/production/_118375922_d1b376fd-11a8-43c8-9de5-1fb4293df829.png

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u/Hotgeart May 27 '22

It's deeper than that. Not only it's more training, but they also cherry-pick who can enter the police school. In my country, you cannot just be a cop because you want to. First, you've a physical and psychologic exam.

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u/004FF May 27 '22

And yet they claim to know more than lawyers when it comes to law

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u/Nevermind04 May 27 '22

This phenomenon has a name: the Dunning-Kruger effect. People with certain personalities that possess a very small amount of understanding of something will greatly overestimate their proficiency in that area.

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u/fourunner May 27 '22

I think they are all on reddit.

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u/darrendewey May 27 '22

Objection! This calls for speculation

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u/MidichlorianAddict May 27 '22

“You just objected to your own question”

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u/LandscapeGuru May 27 '22

Makes you wonder who they’re really protecting and serving.

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u/after_mapping May 27 '22

Simple. Capital & the elite.

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u/CJ2899 May 27 '22

The great majority of crimes go unsolved by police. And many of the ones they do solve are just drug related: like catching someone with a tiny bit of weed. The idea that the Police actually do stuff for citizens is massively overblown.

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u/Sensate60 May 27 '22

....but we have all those cop TV shows and Movies that tell us they are McGuyvers and Hawaii 5 O types who are super smart crime sleuths and Badass Cops! /s

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u/CJ2899 May 27 '22

Yeah bro, Copaganda is what it is. It’s crazy when you watch these shows you think they’re these proactive driven competent people.

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u/kai_wulf_dog May 27 '22

Same goes for FBI, CIA, military and Intelligence. Most of those people have Twitter brains.

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u/AmbivalentAsshole May 27 '22

Same goes for ... military

Wut?

I am by no means "pro military."

But.... what?

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

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u/---gabers--- May 27 '22

It couldn’t be big businesses and the interests of the Rich could it

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u/skwander May 27 '22

Property, they protect rich people and their property, that’s it.

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u/Kryptosis May 27 '22

It shouldn’t. Corporate interests is the obvious answer.

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u/ifucuwillc May 27 '22

We perfectly know who they serve but wont do any shit about it… lets keep on paying for other peoples puppets yeeeha

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u/xwulfd May 27 '22

their paychecks and donuts

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u/polialt May 27 '22

Property of the rich. Duh.

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u/Voon- May 27 '22

Two things: themselves and the ruling class.

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u/ThenLibrary8057 May 27 '22

Not us, remember Stoneman Douglas? Cops are here to beat down the poor whenever they upset the rich

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u/3_7_11_13_17 May 27 '22

Property and industry. It's always been about property and industry.

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

They’re also not really trained for active combat like this. This is why swat exists. Because cops can and do freeze in combat.

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u/Sexygrizzly May 27 '22

When a commando attacked the Bataclan in France, 2 cops with service revolvers went in, certain they would die, and actually pushed the terrorist back to a place without people, saving countless lives.
One French gendarme officier actually traded place with hostages in another terrorist attack and died because of it

The first responder in the Charlie Hebdo shooting was a muslim cop with a side arm that did his best to stop the terrorists and died a hero
I have mostly in mind story of cops not freezing because of, I assume, training and a sense of duty.

The mall cop in the US last week actually open fire on the racist fuck there, and died for it, but he did his best and hit the guy in the vest.

Sorry for the mainly French examples, but those guys were rightly lauded as heroes and came to mind first, and it's hard to comprehend that the Texas and Vegas cowboys are shaking in their copboots when it's time to walk the walk. WTF is that unprofessionnal shit

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u/GOLDENninjaXbox May 27 '22

Yup it’s SWAT/ SRT (some cities don’t have a swat team there’s watching is called SRT) that are trained in active combat

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u/NoComment002 May 27 '22

Yet, those same cops claim that they're working in war zones 🙄. If they can't take down a violent criminal, then they're useless. It means that all they're good for is shooting vulnerable people, writing tickets for city/state revenue, and filling up private prisons to keep that cheap labor pool high. They'll shoot someone because they held a phone, but won't engage when they know the other person has a gun.

USELESS pricks.

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

There’s some hyperbole in there but overall I agree. Either they get trained for combat situations or get disarmed. Can’t have it both ways they’re a danger to themselves and others as is.

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u/XtaC23 May 27 '22

If only the bad guy had been a cardboard cutout

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u/TARANTULA_TIDDIES May 27 '22

These are the same cops who are allowed to indiscriminately kill if they get scared of their own shadow?

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u/The_Last_Fapasaurus May 27 '22

This comes up in every single police related thread and isn't really well understood. The Supreme Court has routinely said that cops are not civilly liable for failure to protect someone from a crime. They don't have a legal duty to jeopardize their own safety to stop a crime. If you sue a police officer on that basis, you will lose. That's all that it means.

I'm not aware of any country or jurisdiction where you can successfully sue a first responder for allegedly stopping a crime too late or for allegedly failing to stop a crime at all. Same reason you can't sue a fire fighter for failing to put out a fire in a reasonable amount of time. That would be an absolute disaster of a policy.

This does not mean that cops aren't supposed to stop crimes and protect you; obviously that is what they are supposed to do. It just means that there's no legal duty, which is a legal term or art. No legal duty means they can't be successfully sued for allegedly breaching that duty.

Not at all controversial.

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u/killbills May 27 '22

What the fuck is their purpose then? Speeding tickets and murdering unarmed people?

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u/NoComment002 May 27 '22

The path of last resistance. Many of them should be fired for being cowards and therefore unfit to be an officer.

At this point, I'm not totally against having a civilian force that will engage and kill these terrorists. It shouldn't be that way, but we can't just let children die in every shooting. Granted, the police would just end up shooting the hero while ignoring the actual bad guy because there's no way to tell a good guy from bad guy in that scenario.

Our system is fucked.

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u/chrisaf69 May 27 '22

I am really struggling to understand this.

After my four years in the navy, my backup plan was to become a cop if the whole IT thing didn't work out (lol).

I wouldn't even think twice of going after these mother fuckers to save dozens of lives, especially if they are kids.

I do understand there are procedures and tactics that should be followed. But that shit is instilled on these guys through craxy amounts of funding and training. Therefore you don't have to delay, you just do it.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I get pissed after hearing all these cops bailing out on saving lives...especially children.

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u/RobBanana May 27 '22

Bold of you to assume these guys had intense training.

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u/drnkingaloneshitcomp May 27 '22

That officer looks like the only training he has done in the past 5 years is on his form for lifting donuts to his snout

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u/ArthriticNinja46 May 27 '22

Yup, corps vet here. It's the job. If I'm trusted with safeguarding the well being of my community, theres no question about pushing that door. For all the "they only had pistols" bullshit. If they rolled up in a cruiser, they had at least a carbine in the trunk or rack. Why you would approach with just a side arm to a shooter call already shows how incompetent you are.

I thought about that career path after I got out as well. Got a few steps into the process, took a hard look at my peer group and decided it wasn't something I want to be involved with.

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u/theoatmealarsonist May 27 '22

Following Columbine, the procedures/tactics for stopping a mass shooting are to engage the shooter as fast as possible. So they're directly going against training by waiting outside, there isn't any excuse for it other than incompetence and/or cowardice.

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u/CandidGuidance May 27 '22

Which with the Texas shooting just what, last week? Everyone just stood by AS it was happening. Idk how they didn’t rush the school, that’s the first thing that HAS to happen to stop it.

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u/fauxRealzy May 27 '22

It's simple: They were always cowards but the idea of a being a police officer made them feel like they weren't, until one day when their mettle was actually tested.

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u/Ramzaa_ May 27 '22

You have more training in the navy than any cop has ever had in their entire career

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u/thtspt May 27 '22

Yeah yeah cops are human but like... it's their job

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u/Villifraendi May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

I just don't get it how American cops, who are portrayed as so powerful and brave can be this scared.

In Iceland, when we had our first ever criminal shot and killed by police, the swat team and police officers (with no armor) had been shot at 8 times while trying to talk him down. It wasn't until the man started shooting through the window of other people's apartments when the had to pull the trigger and shoot him before a civilian would get hurt.

Almost none of the officers had ever been in a situation where firearms were being used against them but they still, without question went in and did everything in their power to stop what was happening with the least amount of damages possible.

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u/Toast_On_The_RUN May 27 '22

Well for one I would guess that police officers in Iceland require more than 21 weeks of training like US officers do. ~6 months of training is not enough when the job requires you to be responsible for peoples lives. Its a joke.

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u/Villifraendi May 27 '22

It takes a few years to become a police officer here, you need to be well educated and in great physical and psychological form.

this goes over the steps in becoming an officer. You can translate it with Google I think if you'd like to give it a look

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u/EducationalDay976 May 27 '22

That's the kind of police reform America needs too. Police should be a real profession, with professional accreditation and formal education in things like conflict de-escalation, and a basic understanding of the law.

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u/bignick1190 May 27 '22

Yea but then they might be intelligent enough to understand how immoral it is t throw people in jail for a gram of weed so obviously we can't have that.

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u/Glitch_Ghoul May 27 '22

One day they are "heroes that put their lives on the line to protect us every day". Next day "well you can't just expect them to put their lives on the line to save other people"

So which is it?

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u/ahumannamedhuman May 27 '22

Whichever one helps their only constant argument, which is that we shouldn't even try to make things better.

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u/Laphad May 27 '22

Them being portrayed as being brave confuses me too when the bastards shoot over slight movements, and consistently kill dogs for no reason out of fear

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u/phiv555 May 27 '22

Their training in the US propagandizes them into thinking everyone is trying to kill them and to see everyone as a threat.

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u/Rs90 May 27 '22

Human when it's their accountability. Yet people are held to the highest fucking standards around cops EVERY SINGLE TIME.

No knock raid? Shouldn't have been afraid when we knock down your door.

Traffic stop that escalates to physical violence? Should've done everything I said before I had to say it.

Shot with a taser? Better not move but also gimme that arm

Put in a deathly choke hold? Stop resisting.

Walking down the street? Suspect.

When it comes to civilians interacting with cops, we are held to an imaginary standard on all sides. We are expected to both stop resisting and comply and not give in to any amount of fear. Even when hit, shot, tazed...ect.

Cops? Hey...they're only human. Nah. It can't be fucking both. Fuck these cops. They are ALL TALK.

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u/SchurkjeBoefje May 27 '22

It's wild how American cops get away with the excuse that they were scared, but the civilian who is actually staring down the business end of the gun is never afforded that margin of error.

It's an utterly bizarre swap of responsibilities. The person with the gun is allowed to be afraid and make mistakes. The person having the gun pointed at them is not.

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u/Sky_Nice May 27 '22

Certainly don’t pay all that tax money for all those weapons and equipment just for them to not use them. Only makes sense that they be defunded then. Allocate that money where it won’t be wasted.

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u/supadave302 May 27 '22

Las Vegas has more cameras than anywhere on the planet. Can anyone please come up with any footage of the shooter?

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u/n0nMS009 May 27 '22

There's footage of him transporting all the gear to the room but not much else

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u/DustyBawls1 May 27 '22

there is one picture with his brains blown out tho.

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

This video is a comprehensive reconstruction of how it happened.

Edit: Mapping the Las Vegas Massacre | NYT - Visual Investigations is of the actual event. First link is How the Las Vegas Gunman Planned a Massacre, in 7 Days of Video | NYT - Visual Investigations

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u/DisasterJunket69420 May 27 '22

He was in a hotel room, shooting from a window.

Hotel rooms don't have cameras inside.

When the swat team makes entry, you can see the shooter's body on their helmet cams.

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u/HendrixHazeWays May 27 '22

....let's hope the rooms don't have cameras

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u/mandelbratwurst May 27 '22

What happens in Vegas…

Is recorded for blackmail

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

they don't put cameras inside people's rooms.

there's tons of footage of him outside the room before it happened that you could easily google and find, though.

i feel like ur comment is making a weird insinuation

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u/dontshoot4301 May 27 '22

Hey, I’m not saying anything is awry but have you noticed that they never released the Lincoln assassination footage?

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u/wejigglinorrrr May 27 '22

Big if true!

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u/BaronBabyStomper May 27 '22

What if the aliens that control the government just hate country music?

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u/elijahross May 27 '22

Nope the switched the cameras for bump stocks

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u/TARANTULA_TIDDIES May 27 '22

Oh don't tell me you're one of the conspiratards who think this was fake. You lot are insane. Probably thinking JFK is gonna come back from the dead to lead you to the holy land or something

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u/ThatsOneWayiGuess May 27 '22

https://youtu.be/cVfzxLvIxi8

Here’s an ABC documentary on what happened that tragic night. It’s a lengthy one, but will go into detail leading up to the moment and the actions taken.

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u/DysthymicDaredeviL May 27 '22

Shouldn't all cops be required to at least be physically fit? No offense to anybody, but I wouldn't trust the cop in the video to look after a sandwich for me, let alone my life like wtf

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u/jaydoff May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

I'm not gonna lie we need to see more discrimination for people who are terribly out of shape in jobs like this. Theres a reason why you dont see any fat active duty military members. They would be simply unfit for the responsibilities. Why aren't police held to the same standard?

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u/CandidGuidance May 27 '22

You know, I’m for militarization of the police. Not how you think tho.

Better training, drilling tough calls and situations, mandatory PT. But like, less assault rifles for regular cops and green drab outfits.

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u/GrimKiba- May 27 '22

This would be a lot different if it were a traffic stop. I still remember that guy in a wheelchair that got shot in the back a ton of times in a Walmart parking lot for no reason. (if I remember correctly)

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u/KingBee1786 May 27 '22

It wasn’t for no reason, he didn’t do exactly what the cop wanted him to do .05 seconds after telling him.

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u/InkBlotSam May 27 '22

He didn't jump out of the car when they ordered him to. The paralyzed guy. Who explained he was paralyzed.

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u/Ketel1Kenobi May 27 '22

Only his legs though, he could have hopped out on his hands but refused.

... Just gonna leave this here: /s

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u/hitmannumber862 May 27 '22

He was rolling around threatening people with a knife, and the cop felt unplugging the wheelchair btattery was anticlimactic.

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u/ghsteo May 27 '22

I stayed at the Mandalay Bay a year prior and had a similar vantage as the shooter. Always look back on that view and the amount of carnage he caused. He was just shooting fish in a barrel.

https://imgur.com/WhZZpvD

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u/LetsAutomateIt May 27 '22

I was there for a work convention. I was facing the pool area and saw a bunch of cops lined up on the street. The only thing I thought of was there must have been some kind of police involved shooting with the amount of cops until I started getting text messages from coworkers and family around 11pm. SWAT came into my room around 2am to make sure no one was hiding or involved. Hotel kept us in our rooms until 10-11am and still charged me for drinking a can of soda and eating bacon jerky from their minibar. When I got out you can clearly tell who was at the concert, people hadn’t changed from the night before with dirt on their clothes, and they looks really shaken up. I couldn’t imagine what they were feeling or what they went through. Just awful.

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u/Arbourous May 27 '22

They have to confirm that the suspect is asleep, running away or minding their own business. Then they start shooting

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u/Room-Other May 27 '22

I mean aren't they trained to clear a house they had enough people to breach the door I mean combat engineers can do it I'm sure there capable to or we just train cops to kill innocent people?

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u/Iseewhatudidthurrrrr May 27 '22

If a coward finds himself in a position to shoot before anyone and a chance to hurt them, they shoot. They’ll sort out if it’s actually a threat later.

If someone’s actually shooting kids, the coward will wait for someone else to risk their life to save them.

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u/bjanas May 27 '22

What is it with the cop build? You all know what I'm talking about. Bulky, refrigerator shaped from the waist up, but proportionally skinny-ish legs? Both of my cousins are Boston cops and totally fit the profile.

Why are so many of them shaped like that? And why are like 80% of them prematurely bald? Is it from sitting in the car so much with a duty belt on? Do they self select in? Is it just a random correlation? This has always bothered me.

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u/lDarlo_2007 May 27 '22

They all look like Hank shraeder

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u/bjanas May 27 '22

Totally. Dude likes exactly like my two Boston cop cousins. It's wild. Perfect casting.

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u/ermabanned May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

Asking the real questions...

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u/Johnsonfam101 May 27 '22

Because they don't actually do shit. You'd think people risking their lives would be fit.

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u/bjanas May 27 '22

I remarked out loud to my roommate, seeing the footage of the actual swat team springing in at the Uvalde situation, "Holy shit, those guys actually look tough!"

It was depressingly refreshing.

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u/03dumbdumb May 27 '22

They’re strong fat dudes with a terrible diet and no cardio.

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u/StrictApplication416 May 27 '22

It's because they are wearing bulletproof vests. Their general shape is probably roughly similar but the vest adds several inches.

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u/simjanes2k May 27 '22

culturally mandatory weight room but only lifting, sitting in a car 10 hours a day eating junk food, and past use of steroids

its like a recipe for how to make that shape

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u/IM_S0_HIGH_RIGHT_N0W May 27 '22

A lot of it is the clothing they wear. The clothes have a certain cut and fit, then you add in the belt, vest underneath, and all the other accessories... it's hard to not look like a cop with all that on. There's also the changes in fat distribution from sitting in squad cars all day, but that effects people differently. Mostly it's the outfit. Also, most men just go bald as they age. That's normal.

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u/KvVortex May 27 '22

Donuts and coffee

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u/bjanas May 27 '22

But it's so particular. I'm thinking it just be some combo of reasonably fit/duty belt/sitting down a lot.

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u/huggles7 May 27 '22

Cop here

Can confirm

Bald as fuck

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u/mrastronomyiss May 27 '22

The difference between this body cam footage situation that happened in Las Vegas and the elementary school shooting.

1: The officers in the hotel looks like only had pistols, then they're hearing calls over the radio that there's automatic fire, multiple casualties, automatic fire over and over again. They are in a narrow corridor that if the gunman decided to open fire in the hallway they would be virtually defenseless with very little cover. They are scared. And it even looks like some of them wearing suits so I'm guessing that's hotel personal security. Not sure.

2: The multiple officers at the mass shooting at the elementary had shotguns, automatic weapons, body armor, helmets an arrange of tactical gear and they did virtually nothing. The officers should have already been ready to engage. Period.

The two situations are drastically different. Comparing oranges to apples. I am not necessarily defending the officers in Las Vegas actions but if one is going to compare the comparison needs to be more similar to better make the argument of incompetence, viable.

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u/Shit___Taco May 27 '22

Also, these cops had no idea what they were walking into. It could have been 10 heavily armed terrorist in that room and they would have been walking into certain death if that was the case.

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u/CaDmus003 May 27 '22

I bet you the shooter would have killed himself much sooner had this group acted accordingly. If they really cowered for a whole hour, the outcome really would have been so much different.

I was in the Marines for 12 years, and my whole life I’ve been lucky enough to handle situations where I did what I needed to do such as aid, fight, assist, intervene etc and have never frozen up. But I tell you what, true fear and people literally freezing up is an uncontrollable beast that you have no idea that it affects you until your in that stressful situation. And sometimes all it takes is one person to demoralize a whole group, unfortunately it seems like it happened in this situation. For those that said they would Ricky Recon that room straight away; more than half of you have no clue how you would reacted unless you’ve been in that particular scenario. I do have some empathy for these guys and I hope to god they have desk jobs now and not billeted to protect because clearly they can’t.

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u/StringerBell34 May 27 '22

There goes our heroes....

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u/50-Lucky May 27 '22 Take My Energy

Poor bastards, you'd be typically scared of an average situation but then a surprise comes one seemingly normal day and reality of death hits you in the face, unless you're exposed to that kind of thing before, no amount of training will stop a fight or flight response, I know these dudes had a job to do, but can totally understand just fucking... freezing, not even sure if they knew at this point if it was one gunman or a group of terrorists or a fucking invasion, step out and have 15 rifle bullets tear your organs to shreds, it's not ideal but fuck, I guess I totally get it, I'd probably freeze too, for a moment anyway.

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u/orbgevski May 27 '22

Just here to remind people we NEVER GOT A MOTIVE FOR STEPHEN PADDOCK DOING THIS

I've got my own wild conspiracy theories but at the end of the day we know next to nothing about why or how this went down. 2nd deadliest mass shooting in US history and still so many questions.

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u/tl01magic May 27 '22

There is a fantastic doc on this that does get into motive and imo narrative seems reasonable / plausible.

my take is (very generally) he felt slighted by Vegas (he was high roller gambler, received comps and treated him like vegas treats "wealthy" regular gamblers.

policies changed, and he no longer was being treated to comps / like he was a high roller.

this act was revenge for that, intended to reduce tourism.

The doc suggest that you not knowing motive means Vegas gov was successful in keeping the lid on the whole thing.

I watched it on YT so widely available (google it)

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u/inaft May 27 '22

This sounds plausible, but I just looked up the Wikipedia page, and apparently he had also been researching / casing out venues in Chicago and Boston. If that's true, that puts a wrinkle in the theory you mentioned...

I think his motive may have just been that he was a miserable human who wanted to make as many people suffer as he could before taking himself out.

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u/Leviathan56 May 28 '22

Sick fucker. I can't even imagine how he got in that headspace (in know it's a cliche thing to say) or how he got past anyone noticing his insanity.

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u/Sember May 27 '22

Maybe he dreamed of being a serial killer and did all of his killing in one go

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u/AliceP00per May 27 '22

I agree with you. This is further proof that more guns are not the answer. These guys are human, this is what happens. The cops in Uvalde probably do jack shit all day and then this happens. The right needs to get off this armed protection thing. It’s clearly not working.

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u/GodAndGaming123 May 27 '22

Wow a rational comment on Reddit.com

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u/Rare_figure0779 May 27 '22

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u/sladdam May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

Here’s a second wrinkle. When your standing there with your little ass glock and you hear a fully automatic going off shaking the walls you quickly realize ur chances of winning any type of shootout are slim. We’re all so lucky that dude killed himself. It could have been so much worse. And it would be hard to move my feet toward the shooter if all I’m equipped with is a pistol

Edit: a few people have pointed out he used bump stocks. I’m aware. I’m aware the guns were not technically fully auto. So sorry for that but with that stock on its basically full auto. The sound alone tells you he’s ripping bullets

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u/laaaabe May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

People who have never heard higher caliber gunshots IRL absolutely underestimate how intimidating they are. Guarantee the video doesn't even come close to doing it justice.

Yeah, this is another situation where the good guys with guns failed to act in time. But I can't say I would've done any different. I'd be shitting myself. But I also recognize that I'd make a terrible cop in general and would never sign up for that job.

Edit: bravo to everyone completely missing my point. Since I clearly need to write it in plain English:

There are very few people who wouldn't crumble under the pressure of an intense combat situation, therefore people should stop signing up to be cops if they can't handle those specific high-stress situations.

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u/teenagesadist May 27 '22

Exactly, why are we allowing people who should be the first to run headlong into danger (as they so often claim they do) to just stand around waiting for something to happen?

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u/mostdope28 May 27 '22

That’s the difference between us and them. They signed up

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u/JustaTurdOutThere May 27 '22

So should every cop be equipped with military gear and high powered arms in case they come across this situation? People claim the police are already too militarized but then people also claim any random cop should run into a hotel room with a pistol. It can't be both.

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u/ermabanned May 27 '22

And get paid to do just this.

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u/64557175 May 27 '22

And have a union and support to absolve them of wrong when they murder, rape, or otherwise use their power to abuse citizens.

And they kill a tooooon of dogs.

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u/ermabanned May 27 '22

Those dogs could have gone to commit school shootings.

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u/ehseeac May 27 '22

The last part makes the first part invalid as if you are justifying it for them. THIS is what they signed up for

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u/TropicalRogue May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

I mean, not to armchair tactician this too hard, but that also means he's facing away from the door, probably lying down, and he can't hear shit, right?

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u/Seniorjones2837 May 27 '22

He had cameras in the hallway watching

https://youtu.be/94IRiJjURn0

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u/TropicalRogue May 27 '22

Damn, Guess it makes sense he'd be prepared

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u/hobomojo May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

This has been the cops strategy since columbine when dealing with an active shooter. Isolate but don’t engage, wait till the shooter runs out of bullets or people to kill then wait for the shooter to take their own life, that way no cop has to ever be in danger. The crazy thing is that these shootings give both a great argument for getting rid of guns but also an argument that you need a gun for yourself because you clearly cannot count on the police to do anything to help.

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u/Extreme_Design6936 May 27 '22

I'd be scared too. Especially with just handguns and no armour.

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u/Le_polpe May 27 '22

I see a lot of people giving them shit for not going into it, i'm not familiar with how this works in america but in my country cops aren't supposed to clear rooms in the case of terrorism, they are supposed to secure the area and help citizen escape and get safe. For taking down terrorist we have the equivalent of a swat team that can strike very quickly and will gather intel before going in, so they don't take stupid risk and get themselves killed. I don't understand why in america an old and overweight police officer with a handgun and no gear is supposed to do the job of professionals that are highly trained and have specialised gear for that.

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u/the_catylyst May 27 '22

It is simple they claim to be highly trained and are given the budget and equipment of paramilitary forces handed down by the military.

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u/RRenee May 27 '22

Their fear is understandable, but if they can’t protect the public from things like this then we need to do something about gun regulations. Plain and simple.

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u/CTRL_SHIFT_Q May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

You expect them to breach with a fucking Glock?

Edit: I'm not implying this was handled correctly, but I can't believe you idiots expect some pudgy underpaid cop to breach a hotel room inside which a guy with a fully auto rifle is waiting for them. All while hiding behind paper thin gypsum walls.

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u/Ixium5 May 27 '22

Having the bad guy aiming at the hotel door has got to be better then raining bullets down on civilians, no?

They don’t have to win the fire fight, but they for sure need to distract

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u/pambeezlyy May 27 '22

Bro in rainbow six I breach with pistol only all the time these cops could’ve too /s

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u/Esunaproxy May 27 '22

Yeah well they had to save their high powered rifles to shoot Daniel Shaver while he crawled across the floor responding to conflicting instructions by multiple officers screaming at him.

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u/ThatCatfulCat May 27 '22

but I can't believe you idiots expect some pudgy underpaid cop

I expect my cops to be fucking trained and able to manage all of the LARPing equipment we purchase for them, not for some out of shape fat fucker cop with a pistol to shake in his boots 1 floor below the actual target.

The fact that this guy is on the force in the first place is a problem.

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u/yibtk May 27 '22

The only usa tradition of waiting for someone else to do the job then showing up at the end claiming you are the hero

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u/oxycontinjohn May 27 '22

The hotel security seems braver and better trained than the freaking police officers...

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u/turkishhousefan May 27 '22

They're probably accountable to someone.

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